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Darkwing August 24 2013 02:58 AM

Star Trek Maps (1980)
 
Has anyone seen a cleaned up version with all the spacelanes and other stuff not cluttering the maps? Pre-production versions, photoshop cleanups, anything? I'm talking about the Mandel ST Maps from 1980, not the later Star Charts.

Mysterion August 24 2013 05:34 PM

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Nope, just the published version. Considering these were done before computers were handy, someone would probably have to scan them and do the clean-up that way. that'd be a lot of work, I think.

Darkwing August 24 2013 07:03 PM

Re: Star Trek Maps (1980)
 
Yeah, but it"s worth asking, even if I expect the answer to be "no".

wildstar August 24 2013 07:15 PM

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I just did a test by doing a "replace color" in photoshop and bringing down their saturation and lightness. But of course they didn't totally disappear. I'd think the best way would be to select all of the planets and names, copy and paste them at once on top of a starry background or something.

publiusr August 24 2013 09:22 PM

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Maybe someone will do a fan attempt.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 25 2013 12:42 AM

Re: Star Trek Maps (1980)
 
All the co-ordinates are in the accompanying booklet. Perhaps someone could recreate it in 3D, add in the planets from Worlds of the Federation...

Darkwing August 25 2013 02:59 AM

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I'm kind of trying to do that. FASA's map seems to be slightly scrambled 1/3 scale version of ST Maps. I just upgraded to paint.net, and am learning it. I'm trying to copy maps into a black & white map, add in the FASA worlds not already on it, move the Tholians near the Klingons because of the Vanguard novels, and add in various stuff from the novels.

The FJ Tech Manual Map has the UFP as 7 parsec radius, with a 4750PC treaty exploration zone, and the Klingons & Romulans rimward. ST Maps is 240PC, Klingons & Romulans rimward, Gorn & Tholians trailing. The Pleiades & Taurus dark cloud are inside the UFP treaty zone. FASA shrank that to about 80PC, so those stellar objects would be on the other side of Klingon space. Star Charts rotated the adversaries to trailing, and the UFP is about 100 light year radius at that point, with the Pleiades and Taurus cloud over 100LY outside UFP space in the TNG era.

Mysterion August 25 2013 04:27 PM

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Quote:

King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8552476)
All the co-ordinates are in the accompanying booklet. Perhaps someone could recreate it in 3D, add in the planets from Worlds of the Federation...

Well, just the coordinates for the major worlds mentioned in the series. there a re a lot more systems on the actualy maps that are not listed in the booklet.

Christopher August 25 2013 06:43 PM

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For what it's worth, although the coordinates/positionings for real stars in ST Maps seem to have been based on real-life data, our estimates of stellar distances back in 1980 were a lot less accurate than they are today, after the HIPPARCOS and other surveys. So a lot of the star placements from STM are just plain wrong.

Darkwing August 26 2013 12:21 AM

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Yeah, but it's the best I've seen so far. And once I copy the maps into the easier to read version, it'l be a smaller file size. It'll also be easier to rearrange as I get better data. I just dowloaded some pdn plugins, so hopefully I can start getting range and bearings for real stars to adjust positions.
Any suggestions on good sites for that that don't require sorting through a MEGO wall o text to find positions?

Christopher August 26 2013 02:03 AM

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Darkwing wrote: (Post 8556250)
Yeah, but it's the best I've seen so far.

^Not sure how STM can be the best you've seen when Star Charts was based on the more up-to-date Hipparcos data.


Quote:

Any suggestions on good sites for that that don't require sorting through a MEGO wall o text to find positions?
This site merges real star data and Star Charts info pretty well:

http://www.whitten.org/starmap/

And of course there's the actual Hipparcos catalog itself:

http://www.rssd.esa.int/index.php?pr...page=hipsearch

Mysterion August 26 2013 04:35 PM

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This is also a good reference for stellar data, including coordinates: http://stellar-database.com/

Darkwing August 26 2013 11:22 PM

Re: Star Trek Maps (1980)
 
Star Charts makes much less sense with regard to positions of the fictional polities. STM works better for that, except for the Tholians. Thanks for the links, I'll look @ them when I get to a real computer.

Mysterion August 26 2013 11:26 PM

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Darkwing wrote: (Post 8560717)
Star Charts makes much less sense with regard to positions of the fictional polities. STM works better for that, except for the Tholians. Thanks for the links, I'll look @ them when I get to a real computer.

Especially where the Klingon and romulan involvement with the Dominion War and Deep Space Nine is concerned. It's all the freakin' way on the other side of the Federation from where Star Charts shows them to be. Makes no sense, even if you try to rationialize it by saying that Klingon abd Romulan teritory "wraps around" Fed space "above" or "blow" the 2-D plane shown on the Star Charts maps. That would add a lot or territory to either of those entities, but yet every single place ever mentioned on-screen is shown all the freakin' way on the other side of the UFP from Bajor/DSN/The War.

Darkwing August 26 2013 11:39 PM

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I'm trying to make a map that makes sense to me for use in my fan-fic and for the next time I run an rpg in the Trek verse. So I want to include certain novels, the Triangle, and some of the other non>anon material. I assume the UFP has a core, actual border, and a treaty exploration zone that has nodes of colonies, trust worlds set aside for worlds not yet in space, and unexplored space. For Kirk's era, that should be a rough sphere, impinged by existing claims of other stellar nations. By TNG+, that probably expanded in a lopsided fashion like Star Charts shows, but I'm pretty sure the Rihannsu novels are closer to STM than SC, so i'd still want to rotate the map orientation back to that shown in most of the sources I mentioned above.


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