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Makarov August 22 2013 06:46 PM

Resigning from Starfleet
 
After watching Redemption I'm trying to think of all the episodes where a character resigns or comes close to resigning. So far I can only think of Measure of a Man. Maybe Insurrection too when Picard takes off his uniform and goes rambo.

I'm also curious, with Starfleet being somewhat military-like, if resigning is always allowed? I wonder if they could have rejected Data's resignation.

Shazam! August 22 2013 06:50 PM

Re: Resigning from Starfleet
 
Did Crusher resign in Sub Rosa?

MacLeod August 22 2013 06:57 PM

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Resiging seems to be fairly easy as well, literally just turn in your badge. Must be some sort of cop thing. :p

Dr. Sevrin August 22 2013 07:02 PM

Re: Resigning from Starfleet
 
There doesn't seem to be any compulsory length of stay requirement in Starfleet from what I can tell. If you want to resign, it looks like you easily can, though it might be a few days or weeks before you're able to transfer from a ship to a civilian transport or planet.

od0_ital August 22 2013 07:13 PM

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Picard didn't resign from Starfleet in INS - he was still able to give Riker & the crew orders while loadin' up the yacht with weapons.

Worf did resign in 'Redemption' and threatened to do the same in DS9 'Way of the Warrior'.

Aside from Data threatenin' to resign in 'The Measure of a Man' and Sisko thinkin' about it in DS9 'Emissary', I can't think of any other time it happened.

Tom Paris leavin' the crew durin' the second season of VOY doesn't count, either, since he was still actin' under Janeway's orders.

sariel2005 August 22 2013 07:37 PM

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Worf did resign in 'Redemption' and threatened to do the same in DS9 'Way of the Warrior'.

Aside from Data threatenin' to resign in 'The Measure of a Man' and Sisko thinkin' about it in DS9 'Emissary', I can't think of any other time it happened.

Tom Paris leavin' the crew durin' the second season of VOY doesn't count, either, since he was still actin' under Janeway's orders.
As someone said, Dr Crusher did resign in Sub Rosa, and adamantly insists she has every right to leave the ship when Picard tries to stop her.
If it counts, Wesley resigns, again by putting his badge down in "Journeys End"

Timo August 22 2013 07:47 PM

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We can always debate whether the resignation actually took place, or whether the characters merely indicated their wish to resign in no unclear terms - after which their superiors stalled the paperwork so that no resignation had actually taken place yet when the heroes reversed their decision.

Timo Saloniemi

Makarov August 22 2013 08:11 PM

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Well if Worf was technically not resigned then computer records would show a starfleet officer was participating in the civil war...

Though I don't really see Picard's reasoning in how making a blockade against the romulan supplies was considered remaining neutral either.

Mojochi August 22 2013 08:24 PM

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I think the real question is about reinstatement. It must be pretty easy if we go by Worf's example. Clearly he had to resign if he took up on a wartime Klingon vessel. It would seem all it takes to be reinstated is for your former commanding officer to take you back

Seeing Wes back in uniform for Riker's wedding would also indicate a rather loose open door policy

Tomalak August 22 2013 08:26 PM

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Makarov wrote: (Post 8541142)
I'm also curious, with Starfleet being somewhat military-like, if resigning is always allowed? I wonder if they could have rejected Data's resignation.

Well yeah, that was the whole point of the episode. Maddox was trying to prove that Data couldn't resign because he was merely property.

I see what you mean though. Starfleet's recruitment is quite ill-defined. We don't even know if they introduced conscription in the Dominion War. By and large, we only see Starfleet's best and brightest officers, who have chosen their careers carefully. Maybe all those redshirts scrubbing plasma manifolds on the USS Richard M. Nixon were draftees?

The nearest we get is Bones falling foul of the reserve activation clause - but by definition that suggests McCoy remained a reservist rather than resigning completely.

sariel2005 August 22 2013 09:11 PM

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I think the real question is about reinstatement. It must be pretty easy if we go by Worf's example. Clearly he had to resign if he took up on a wartime Klingon vessel. It would seem all it takes to be reinstated is for your former commanding officer to take you back

Seeing Wes back in uniform for Riker's wedding would also indicate a rather loose open door policy
Well in TMP we learn that Spock left Starfleet to return to Vulcan and was listed as "Starfleet - Innactive". He is imediately reactivated by Kirk once he returns to Enterprise. Maybe you never REALLY leave Starfleet. the movie certainly indicates reinstatement is a simple matter of logging it.

MacLeod August 22 2013 09:17 PM

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sariel2005 wrote: (Post 8541928)
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I think the real question is about reinstatement. It must be pretty easy if we go by Worf's example. Clearly he had to resign if he took up on a wartime Klingon vessel. It would seem all it takes to be reinstated is for your former commanding officer to take you back

Seeing Wes back in uniform for Riker's wedding would also indicate a rather loose open door policy
Well in TMP we learn that Spock left Starfleet to return to Vulcan and was listed as "Starfleet - Innactive". He is imediately reactivated by Kirk once he returns to Enterprise. Maybe you never REALLY leave Starfleet. the movie certainly indicates reinstatement is a simple matter of logging it.


Or the little known seldom used 'Reserve activation clause'

Timo August 22 2013 09:19 PM

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Clearly he had to resign if he took up on a wartime Klingon vessel.
Would Starfleet even have noticed? Ships can go missing for half a year ("Contagion") without anybody getting worried in the slightest!

Klingons certainly wouldn't have bothered to ask questions.

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Seeing Wes back in uniform for Riker's wedding would also indicate a rather loose open door policy
Well, he was a god at that point - he could wear just about anything he wanted. Did his old friends even realize he was there?

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Well in TMP we learn that Spock left Starfleet to return to Vulcan and was listed as "Starfleet - Innactive".
So he didn't leave Starfleet after all, except for some sort of a leave of absence...

We are never given any story on him leaving in a huff and slamming doors behind him, or some scandal forcing him out, or anything like that. There's no "He's no longer in Starfleet" aspect to it in the movie.

Is there any real-world equivalent to this "inactivation/reactivation of commission" thing?

Timo Saloniemi

BillJ August 22 2013 10:09 PM

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McCoy also resigned in For the World is Hollow...

R. Star August 22 2013 10:43 PM

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Given Sisko was allowed to quit during the middle of the Dominion war to go home, mope and peel potatoes.... I'm hard pressed to find a reason anyone's resignation would be rejected.


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