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FreddyE August 22 2013 09:36 AM

First Doctor - character arc?
 
Im watching the first serial right now and the only episode left is "The Firemaker", I really have to say that the first doctor has traits that go on my nerves...he seems to be so damn arrogant..sometimes even almost tending towards downright mean.

Often I feel like "Okay, could Ian or Barbara please slap him? Hard."

Does he stay like that, or does he mellow with time?

Candlelight August 22 2013 09:59 AM

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He mellows by the end of The Edge of Destruction (serial 3), though he's always a lovable grumpy bastard. :)

StCoop August 22 2013 10:21 AM

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The thing that people forget is that Ian and Barbara were the main characters in the very early days of the series, not the Doctor; which allowed him to be a character who'd do things like contemplate bashing a caveman's skull in.

He only really becomes "The Doctor" as we think of the character in 'The Sensorites', which was the first story where he chooses to become involved in a situation because it's the right thing to do.

Green Lantern August 22 2013 12:48 PM

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I've always thought the first doctor was a bit of a bastard. But not in a good way. I've never really been a big fan if the first doctor. In the first serial, he was the closest there was to a bad guy.

The Mirrorball Man August 22 2013 12:50 PM

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The first Doctor is the one who knocks.

sonak August 24 2013 05:39 PM

Re: First Doctor - character arc?
 
As David Tenant put it, the irony is that the First Doctor seems least "doctorish" to modern viewers.

People tend to forget what a jerk and an anti-hero he started out as.

But yes, Hartnell's Doctor mellows out a lot in the later stories, and becomes more recognizably "doctorish."


The Sixth Doctor borrows a lot from the First, with the abrasiveness, arrogance, and the way they sometimes treated their companions.

Alidar Jarok August 24 2013 10:29 PM

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Candlelight wrote: (Post 8539168)
He mellows by the end of The Edge of Destruction (serial 3), though he's always a lovable grumpy bastard. :)

I think The Aztecs is often the episode that's pointed to as the point he mellows out. Certainly, The Edge of Destruction itself resulted in everyone being at each other's throats. Certainly, by the Dalek invasion of Earth, he's affirmatively seeking to be a hero.

Christopher August 24 2013 11:41 PM

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^Even before that, in "Planet of Giants," the Doctor's adamant that they have to intervene to help make things right, although the biggest scene where he expresses that view was cut out when they combined episodes 3 & 4 into one. (It's included in the reconstruction on the DVD.)

Although ultimately their attempts to make a difference in "Giants" didn't actually achieve anything. Even if they hadn't been there at all, the nosy operator would've still saved the day.

Wereghost August 24 2013 11:51 PM

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The Mirrorball Man wrote: (Post 8539543)
The first Doctor is the one who knocks.

He broke bad.


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sonak wrote: (Post 8550892)
The Sixth Doctor borrows a lot from the First, with the abrasiveness, arrogance, and the way they sometimes treated their companions.

Ten deserves a mention here too, if only for what he was apparently prepared to do in The Fires Of Pompeii. That kind of struck me as the Doctor kind of reverting to form, going back to his default settings as it were and perhaps temporarily forgetting the life lessons that his adventures had taught him.

diankra August 25 2013 12:38 AM

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Another missing example of the first Doctor being the Doctor we know is The Smugglers, right at his end: he just treats 17th century Cornwall as a fun place to look around, is delighted when it gives him a mystery to solve, but when he could just get out, he goes back and puts himself in danger to prevent a massacre.
Troughton is the first Doctor who is always the meddling hero we know, but Hartnell has become it well before his end.

DWF August 26 2013 02:29 AM

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I think it took the Daleks to make turn the Doctor into a moral hoer, in Dalek Invasion Of Earth he willingly attempts to stop the Dalek's plan to mine the planet.

marillion August 26 2013 03:40 PM

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I wonder if we might have an overall different opinion of the First Doctor if more episodes had survived. We have a few complete episodes but just bits and pieces of others...

Sindatur August 26 2013 03:53 PM

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marillion wrote: (Post 8558290)
I wonder if we might have an overall different opinion of the First Doctor if more episodes had survived. We have a few complete episodes but just bits and pieces of others...

Eh, we've got 17 out of 29 stories complete. One that has been completed with Animation (So, 18 complete altogether out of 29), and another that is only missing 1 episode which is being animated now, that's much better than what we have for Troughton, and about 2/3 of the overall quantity of stories made for Hartnell.

sonak August 26 2013 05:18 PM

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marillion wrote: (Post 8558290)
I wonder if we might have an overall different opinion of the First Doctor if more episodes had survived. We have a few complete episodes but just bits and pieces of others...


we've got more complete First doctor stories than we do Second, Sixth, or Seventh.

Emperor-Tiberius August 26 2013 08:06 PM

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Sindatur wrote: (Post 8558383)
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marillion wrote: (Post 8558290)
I wonder if we might have an overall different opinion of the First Doctor if more episodes had survived. We have a few complete episodes but just bits and pieces of others...

Eh, we've got 17 out of 29 stories complete. One that has been completed with Animation (So, 18 complete altogether out of 29), and another that is only missing 1 episode which is being animated now, that's much better than what we have for Troughton, and about 2/3 of the overall quantity of stories made for Hartnell.

Which is sad, because Troughton is definitely the one who set the tone of the Doctor as he's been since.


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