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serenitytrek1 August 16 2013 05:48 PM

Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
In the light of all the hate that JJ Abrams Star Trek is getting, its got me thinking about the females in JJ Abram's Trek. Uhura, Carol, Galia and Amanda.


I know there are some sort of sexism accusations in NU-TREK, however do any of this women have the right to be called heroines or are they just there to be the girl friends, Wives and sex object.

BillJ August 16 2013 05:50 PM

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I would think that both Uhura and Marcus have earned the right. They were both essential to the survival and eventual victories of the Enterprise.

Santa Kang August 16 2013 05:57 PM

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serenitytrek1 wrote: (Post 8515375)
The females in JJ Abram's Trek, Uhura, Carol, Galia and Amanda. hae they aened the tight to be called heroines?

Och aye, they hae. Well Uhura and Carol for sure.

All Galia did was almost have sex with Kirk. Amanda was brave and courageous while Vulcan imploded around her. So I guess she was being heroic too.

You saw both films, right? So why is this a question?

Opus August 16 2013 06:03 PM

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Uhura stared down the Klingons while the boys sat hiding in Mudd's ship.

So, there's that...

Shatinator August 17 2013 02:50 AM

Re: Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
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serenitytrek1 wrote: (Post 8515375)
In the light of all the hate that JJ Abrams Star Trek is getting, its got me thinking about the females in JJ Abram's Trek. Uhura, Carol, Galia and Amanda.


I know there are some sort of sexism accusations in NU-TREK, however do any of this women have the right to be called heroines or are they just there to be the girl friends, Wives and sex object.


This is serious question, because as it is presented I do not see any blatant sexism?
:shrug:

Opus August 17 2013 04:45 AM

Re: Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
Carol saved McCoy's ass while he howled like a coyote caught in a bear trap when he failed to deactivate the torpedo.

Just sayin'...

SantaSpock August 17 2013 07:32 AM

Re: Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
They seem to be great people but unfortunately their prime role so far seems to be:
1. Uhura - Spock's Girlfriend
2. Carol - Admiral Marcus' daughter
3. Amanda - Spock's mum
4. Galia - Kirks FWB

I'd like to see just one girl whose main role isn't to be the princess or the girlfriend.
They're making a bit of headway with Uhura.
Perhaps they can make Carol out to be the great scientist she was in TWOK.

If Star Trek is to appeal to more people maybe they could have a younger woman in a serious role. She can be good looking but nobody's secretary, daughter, princess ruler please.

Opus August 17 2013 09:47 AM

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Uhura was the one out of the entire crew who beamed down to the garbage scow with phaser in hand and both saved Spock and took down Khan.

Zap!

serenitytrek1 August 17 2013 10:11 AM

Re: Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
I seem to view uhura on a more or less bias level, however I don't agree with all the hate she has gotten. many male fans hate her because she has taken Bones place and many female fans hate her because she is interfering with slash fan fiction.

But is Uhura really a heroine?

sure uhura helps in Khan been taken out but would Uhura have gone done to help Spock if he was not her boyfriend in danger?


Amanda was a strong woman. she at least could put up with a full blooded Vulcan, I just wished they had not deleted the scene from the 09 film where she tells Sarek that humans leave their partners when they get disgusted with them.

Carol Marcus had and still has potential but the strip scene overshadowed her character.

As for Galia...oh well.

SantaSpock August 17 2013 01:58 PM

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Opus wrote: (Post 8517988)
Uhura was the one out of the entire crew who beamed down to the garbage scow with phaser in hand and both saved Spock and took down Khan.

Zap!

If Uhura had taken Khan down herself it would have been different but if you look at that scene you say Spock took Khan down with help from Uhura.
Uhura needs to be awesome on her own to be a heroine IMO.

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serenitytrek1 wrote: (Post 8518003)
I seem to view uhura on a more or less bias level, however I don't agree with all the hate she has gotten. many male fans hate her because she has taken Bones place and many female fans hate her because she is interfering with slash fan fiction.

But is Uhura really a heroine?

sure uhura helps in Khan been taken out but would Uhura have gone done to help Spock if he was not her boyfriend in danger?

Is there that much hate for Uhura out there?

I think Uhura beamed down because she knew the situation not just to help Spock.

serenitytrek1 August 17 2013 02:38 PM

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CommishSleer wrote: (Post 8518315)
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Opus wrote: (Post 8517988)
Uhura was the one out of the entire crew who beamed down to the garbage scow with phaser in hand and both saved Spock and took down Khan.

Zap!

If Uhura had taken Khan down herself it would have been different but if you look at that scene you say Spock took Khan down with help from Uhura.
Uhura needs to be awesome on her own to be a heroine IMO.

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serenitytrek1 wrote: (Post 8518003)
I seem to view uhura on a more or less bias level, however I don't agree with all the hate she has gotten. many male fans hate her because she has taken Bones place and many female fans hate her because she is interfering with slash fan fiction.

But is Uhura really a heroine?

sure uhura helps in Khan been taken out but would Uhura have gone done to help Spock if he was not her boyfriend in danger?

Is there that much hate for Uhura out there?

I think Uhura beamed down because she knew the situation not just to help Spock.


Sadly there is much hate for her. I don't think the hate is fair at all, however some of the hate seems harmless and done in good fun others seem just to way over the top.

I love how you say Uhura's needs to stand on her own, the Klingon scene was a good start but that was all she got.

Santa Kang August 17 2013 03:06 PM

Re: Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
How does Uhura being Spock's girlfriend make her not a heroine? The same for Amanda being Spock's mom or Carol being Marcus' daughter? Heroism is about what they do not who they are. If all Carol did was show off her undies, then you might have a point.

Opus August 17 2013 05:02 PM

Re: Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
I think folks may want to rewatch that fight scene between Spock and Khan. Spock was getting his ass handed to him until Uhura beamed down and phasered Khan. And she was the one who stopped Spock from outright killing Khan because they needed his blood to save Kirk.

She saved the day.

BillJ August 17 2013 05:09 PM

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Opus wrote: (Post 8518807)
I think folks may want to rewatch that fight scene between Spock and Khan. Spock was getting his ass handed to him until Uhura beamed down and phasered Khan. And she was the one who stopped Spock from outright killing Khan because they needed his blood to save Kirk.

She saved the day.

I think that if anyone else had beamed down, Spock kills Khan.

serenitytrek1 August 17 2013 06:48 PM

Re: Does JJ Abrams Star Trek have any heroines?
 
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BillJ wrote: (Post 8518825)
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Opus wrote: (Post 8518807)
I think folks may want to rewatch that fight scene between Spock and Khan. Spock was getting his ass handed to him until Uhura beamed down and phasered Khan. And she was the one who stopped Spock from outright killing Khan because they needed his blood to save Kirk.

She saved the day.

I think that if anyone else had beamed down, Spock kills Khan.



Actually Khan would have killed Spock. Spock seems to have a lot of endurance when he fights but he still would have lost the fight.


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