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xvicente August 13 2013 02:50 AM

V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
Going strictly by Canon won't help here. Roddenberry himself once said [citation needed] the machine planet was the Borg homeworld, he could be joking or not, ymmv.

But the concept is intriguing. I read some not-half-bad fanfic theorizing the machines were in contact with V'ger until the fusion with Decker -- when they lost contact they were intrigued by the disappearance and assimilated their first organic species -- until then they didnt do that-- trying to understand whet Vger had done with the human(s) - thus inventing and eventually becoming the Borg as we know it.

What's in your "personal canon", if such a thing exists?

BillJ August 13 2013 02:53 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
No. Just no.

Sran August 13 2013 02:59 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
No. Not everything has to be connected to everything else. V'Ger was found by a race of beings on a machine planet after traveling through a quantum singularity. Everything about V'Ger's journey back to Federation space gives the impression that this race was different from the Borg. Otherwise, the writers would have found a way to connect the two after the Borg showed up in TNG. That Shatner decided they were one and the same doesn't matter because his books aren't canon.

--Sran

R. Star August 13 2013 03:15 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
If V'ger had anything to do with the Borg the "carbon units" wouldn't have confused it so.

JirinPanthosa August 13 2013 03:47 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
TMP is the only Trek film I've never seen so can't comment on how appropriate it would be.

But everything else in the universe is humans' fault, I refuse to accept that the Borg are the humans fault too. Not everything in the galaxy has to revolve around humans.

Nerys Myk August 13 2013 03:55 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
The folks who upgraded V'Ger were a pure machine intelligence. The Borg are cyborgs.

R. Star August 13 2013 03:56 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
Quote:

JirinPanthosa wrote: (Post 8501893)
I refuse to accept that the Borg are the humans fault too. Not everything in the galaxy has to revolve around humans.

Might not want to read the Destiny novels then. :lol:

Bry_Sinclair August 13 2013 06:01 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
The whole V'Ger/Borg thing was a terrible idea, even a theory of one.

Mr. Laser Beam August 13 2013 06:03 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
The Borg are thousands of years older than V'Ger. So I'd guess that there is no connection.

SeerSGB August 13 2013 07:10 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
No...no...no..nooooooooooo! Why won't this theory die already? As has been said, not everything needs to be connected.

Quote:

Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 8501902)
The folks who upgraded V'Ger were a pure machine intelligence. The Borg are cyborgs.

My god, V'ger was upgraded by the Transformers...

...what makes as much sense as V'ger get a upgrade from the Borg version of the Geek Squad.

Push The Button August 13 2013 07:30 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
A Voyager probe, designed in the 1970's, would have seemed about as sophisticated as a toaster to a planet full of intelligent machines. Why they would have "adopted" it and built a massive ship to send it back home never made any sense to me.

Anyway, I don't see any connection between Vger and the Borg.

The human adventure is just beginning.

sojourner August 13 2013 07:50 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
Quote:

Push The Button wrote: (Post 8502313)
A Voyager probe, designed in the 1970's, would have seemed about as sophisticated as a toaster to a planet full of intelligent machines. Why they would have "adopted" it and built a massive ship to send it back home never made any sense to me.

Think of it as an adult fixing a small child's toy and making a few improvements in the process.

GameOn August 13 2013 08:06 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
Voyager 6 wouldn't have been advanced enough for the Borg to care about in the first place. Q Who established that the Borg are a combination of organic and artificial life that's been developing over thousands of centuries. They also state that the Borg assimilated the El-Aurians a century earlier which would pre-date the events of TMP.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 13 2013 10:08 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
V'Ger origins: Borg or not?

No.

Borg Origins: Caeliar or not?

Yes.

The Emissary August 13 2013 10:25 AM

Re: V'Ger origins: Borg or not?
 
Isn't the biggest issue with this theory that the time lines do not match? Which is why with V'Ger time traveling is often invoked? And from what TNG/VOY told us of the Borg, the time line of the origins just do not match at all.

One complaint that I personally have is I feel the Trek universe is shrinking. It's been a while since I watched Trek and felt like the unknown truly exists just beyond that one star. Everything does not have to connect (even if it can be fun to sometimes do cross overs or have one thing influence the other).

But in this case...it seems pointless. Is anything added to the Trek mythos by merging the two?


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