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Nero's Shadow August 12 2013 09:48 PM

Was [Spoiler] Justified?
 
I've been thinking was his death the right thing to happen in the movie. I was thinking would it have been better for pike to save kirk or spocks life but not get killed like in the other trek universe he saved cadets and got injured in the line of duty.

So did you think it was necessary to kill off his character.??

MacLeod August 12 2013 09:57 PM

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I can understand why they did in some respect Pike was the mentor role to Kirk, and eventually the mentor is no longer needed.

But I'm not sure If I would have killed off Pike maybe confine him to a wheelchair to mirror events somewhat that happened in the Prime Universe.

Melakon August 12 2013 09:58 PM

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They had an opportunity to kill him off in 2009 if they'd wanted. I've not seen the film yet (have to wait for dvd), but if it makes sense within the story, then that's all the justification a writer needs. It might also depend whether Bruce Greenwood had signed for 2 or 3 films.

Isn't the thread title something of a spoiler?

M'Sharak August 12 2013 10:05 PM

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Melakon wrote: (Post 8500900)

Isn't the thread title something of a spoiler?

Fixed it.

Nero's Shadow August 12 2013 10:17 PM

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M'Sharak wrote: (Post 8500930)
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Melakon wrote: (Post 8500900)

Isn't the thread title something of a spoiler?

Fixed it.

Sorry guys forgot about the rules of spoilers. And I forgot some country's have not seen the movie yet jammy buggers !!!

M'Sharak August 12 2013 10:51 PM

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Nero's Shadow wrote: (Post 8500993)
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M'Sharak wrote: (Post 8500930)
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Melakon wrote: (Post 8500900)

Isn't the thread title something of a spoiler?

Fixed it.

Sorry guys forgot about the rules of spoilers. And I forgot some country's have not seen the movie yet jammy buggers !!!

Just Japan to go, I think. Another couple of weeks, it'll have opened there, and then everyone will be able to throw spoilers around with relative abandon.

teacake August 13 2013 01:52 PM

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I thought it one of the most realistically acted deaths I've seen.

Gojira August 13 2013 02:59 PM

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His death was needed...but I hate to see him go, I loved how Greenwood played him.

Nero's Shadow August 13 2013 11:52 PM

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Gojira wrote: (Post 8503108)
His death was needed...but I hate to see him go, I loved how Greenwood played him.

Me to good actor !!! It's a shame he's not going to be in the 3rd movie still more I think he could have given it would have been nice to see some of his own action scenes !!

Tiberius August 14 2013 04:13 AM

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I would have killed him, but done it differently.

Have him survive the attack on the conference, then he takes command of the Enterprise, only to sacrifice himself fixing the engine core. Then he stays dead so we don't need that stupid magic blood crap.

It also makes Kirk fight to get command of the Enterprise back because he doesn't just get it handed back to him. Seriously, what was up with that. They made such a bog deal about it in the beginning of the movie, only to throw it all away when it became inconvenient. And it also lets Kirk be the one in the big fight with Khan instead of Spock. What is the logic in having the hero of the piece be in a coma during the climactic fight?

King Daniel Into Darkness August 14 2013 09:02 AM

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teacake wrote: (Post 8502925)
I thought it one of the most realistically acted deaths I've seen.

This. It sucks to see Pike die, but it was well-done. Spock's comforting meld was awesome too (even if it did leave me wondering if he'd be carrying around Pike's katra!)

Set Harth August 14 2013 01:46 PM

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Oh, he did that to be comforting? I thought he just wanted to see what it would be like to meld with someone who was dying.

Gojira August 14 2013 04:32 PM

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Nero's Shadow wrote: (Post 8504920)
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Gojira wrote: (Post 8503108)
His death was needed...but I hate to see him go, I loved how Greenwood played him.

Me to good actor !!! It's a shame he's not going to be in the 3rd movie still more I think he could have given it would have been nice to see some of his own action scenes !!


Maybe they can write him into a flash back scene for the third movie?

BillJ August 14 2013 06:27 PM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 8505754)
And it also lets Kirk be the one in the big fight with Khan instead of Spock. What is the logic in having the hero of the piece be in a coma during the climactic fight?

Because it simply doesn't work. Even in Space Seed, Khan should've squished Kirk like a bug.

And if they had went that route, many of the people who dislike the film would've went on and on about how Khan should've squished Kirk like a bug.

FarStrider August 14 2013 06:39 PM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 8505754)
And it also lets Kirk be the one in the big fight with Khan instead of Spock. What is the logic in having the hero of the piece be in a coma during the climactic fight?

Because it simply doesn't work. Even in Space Seed, Khan should've squished Kirk like a bug.

And if they had went that route, many of the people who dislike the film would've went on and on about how Khan should've squished Kirk like a bug.


Exactly this. Plus, in the new universe the writers have set Spock as an equal protagonist to Kirk, which means he gets his own story thread and character growth. So Kirk and Spock absically switch places from the beginning to the end, where Kirk sacrifices himself, and Spock is doing something reckless.

~FS


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