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Austin 3:16 August 12 2013 11:21 AM

In the alt timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise, I'd like to believe....
 
....that the Federation that was losing to the Klingons would eventually triumph over them, somehow.

I mean in the regular timeline, the Federation was losing against the Dominion, and they still found a way to win.

And in the alt timeline from Yesterday's Enterprise, even though they said that the Federation was losing against the Klingons and that the Klingons would win the war in six months, do you think that somehow, some way, the Federation would find a way to win?

Hando August 12 2013 02:47 PM

Re: In the alt timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise, I'd like to believe
 
I don't want to crush your hope, but 3 off-screen sources (Star Trek Online, Q-Squared and All Our Yesterdays) show otherwise.

BillJ August 12 2013 03:08 PM

Re: In the alt timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise, I'd like to believe
 
All Our Yesterdays was an episode of TOS.

Federation was toast in the alternate timeline.

ATimson August 12 2013 03:19 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8498905)
All Our Yesterdays was an episode of TOS.

It was also the name of the time travel sourcebook for one of the pencil-and-paper Trek RPGs.

BillJ August 12 2013 03:24 PM

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ATimson wrote: (Post 8498932)
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BillJ wrote: (Post 8498905)
All Our Yesterdays was an episode of TOS.

It was also the name of the time travel sourcebook for one of the pencil-and-paper Trek RPGs.

:techman:

Thanks. Was never into the pencil-and-paper RPG's.

Anwar August 12 2013 05:20 PM

Re: In the alt timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise, I'd like to believe
 
Well, we don't know how bad off the Klingons were either. Most likely, the damage done by the War would've caused the Klingons to be a similar state of near collapse. They just hid it better.

R. Star August 12 2013 07:20 PM

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I always figured that the Klingons just launched a wide scale surprise attack much like Pearl Harbor, eliminating a large portion of the fleet, it's bases and assets all along the border, and the Federation never completely recovered from that, and twenty years of attrition just wore them down to the breaking point.

A twenty year war is going to take it's toll on the victor too no doubt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Romulans were just licking their lips in anticipation at attacking whoever wins.

Captrek August 12 2013 08:12 PM

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Austin 3:16 wrote: (Post 8498332)
....that the Federation that was losing to the Klingons would eventually triumph over them, somehow.

I mean in the regular timeline, the Federation was losing against the Dominion, and they still found a way to win.

And in the alt timeline from Yesterday's Enterprise, even though they said that the Federation was losing against the Klingons and that the Klingons would win the war in six months, do you think that somehow, some way, the Federation would find a way to win?

Yes. The Federation found a way to “win” by sending the Enterprise-C back in time to Narendra III and preventing the war from ever happening.

Praetor August 13 2013 09:17 PM

Re: In the alt timeline in Yesterday's Enterprise, I'd like to believe
 
Carrying through the Pearl Harbor metaphor, perhaps the Federation had a Fat Man and Little Boy up their sleeves? Genesis Devices ftw?

R. Star August 13 2013 09:19 PM

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Given they weren't used during the Dominion War, despite how bad it got, it's likely Carol destroyed the knowledge of it after it didn't work and her son died over it. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a treaty requirement in the Khitomer Accords given how antsy the Klingons were over it.

Austin 3:16 August 13 2013 09:20 PM

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Praetor wrote: (Post 8504392)
Carrying through the Pearl Harbor metaphor, perhaps the Federation had a Fat Man and Little Boy up their sleeves? Genesis Devices ftw?

Perhaps the Federation had developed a thalaron weapon and were willing to use it out of desperation?

BillJ August 13 2013 10:04 PM

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It really seems like the Federation would've put all their cards on the table when they were that close to losing. Genesis device, thalaron radiation, sub-space weapons.

Praetor August 13 2013 10:26 PM

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I imagine the Federation that fought a twenty-year war with the Klingons was on the whole a darker, scarier civilization.

Austin 3:16 August 13 2013 10:32 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8504575)
It really seems like the Federation would've put all their cards on the table when they were that close to losing. Genesis device, thalaron radiation, sub-space weapons.

Indeed!

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Praetor wrote: (Post 8504626)
I imagine the Federation that fought a twenty-year war with the Klingons was on the whole a darker, scarier civilization.

Yup. I mean, in the REGULAR timeline, look at what the Federation did to beat the Dominion. They tricked the Romulans into being their allies so they could win the war. There's no telling the horrible (but perhaps necessary) things they would've tried in the alternate timeline with the war against the Klingons.

P0sitr0nic August 13 2013 10:52 PM

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Praetor wrote: (Post 8504626)
I imagine the Federation that fought a twenty-year war with the Klingons was on the whole a darker, scarier civilization.

Think of the admiral in the new movie... willing to do anything. I think a federation 20 years + at war with Klingons might be willing to use a doomsday weapon. Even one that looks like a paper mache cone....


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