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Bry_Sinclair August 12 2013 10:12 AM

Redshirt Chekov
 
Why was Ensign Chekov, the ship's navigator, assigned to oversee Engineering? Surely there would be numerous Lieutenants with more experience and specific training to cover in Scotty's absence.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 12 2013 10:36 AM

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He'd been learning under Scotty for a few months according to the dialogue, IIRC. That made him best for knowing the Enterprise's heavily modified engine configuration, which Scotty mentions to Keenser in the club in San Francisco.

Also, it's Chekov. They're gonna use a member of the main cast over a random nobody any day.

Nightowl1701 August 12 2013 10:43 AM

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Plus it made a nice double in-joke: Not only does poor Chekov (and the audience!) have to worry about him meeting the fate of a typical redshirt, but in the Prime Universe (at least according to the novels) Chekov was a redshirt working down in Engineering when the original Khan came aboard the Enterprise, and he apparently put up enough of a fight when the Augments took over to earn Khan's notice. "I never forget a face..."

The Wormhole August 12 2013 02:22 PM

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Nightowl1701 wrote: (Post 8498281)
Plus it made a nice double in-joke: Not only does poor Chekov (and the audience!) have to worry about him meeting the fate of a typical redshirt, but in the Prime Universe (at least according to the novels) Chekov was a redshirt working down in Engineering when the original Khan came aboard the Enterprise, and he apparently put up enough of a fight when the Augments took over to earn Khan's notice. "I never forget a face..."

Not quite. He was a security officer who fought against Khan in engineering.

BillJ August 12 2013 04:00 PM

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Real world - They're going to use a member of the main cast over some no name. As mentioned above.

In universe - Kirk knew Chekov better than any one currently on staff in engineering and wanted someone he actually knew in Engineering during a critical mission. There's no evidence the assignment would've been permanent if Scotty hadn't come back.

Ovation August 14 2013 05:38 AM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8499073)
Real world - They're going to use a member of the main cast over some no name. As mentioned above.

In universe - Kirk knew Chekov better than any one currently on staff in engineering and wanted someone he actually knew in Engineering during a critical mission. There's no evidence the assignment would've been permanent if Scotty hadn't come back.

Both true, but especially the bolded text. Standard filmmaking 101.

Keith1701 August 14 2013 04:23 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8498242)
Why was Ensign Chekov, the ship's navigator, assigned to oversee Engineering? Surely there would be numerous Lieutenants with more experience and specific training to cover in Scotty's absence.

Good Question.

trekker670 August 14 2013 04:33 PM

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Nightowl1701 wrote: (Post 8498281)
...in the Prime Universe (at least according to the novels) Chekov was a redshirt working down in Engineering when the original Khan came aboard the Enterprise, and he apparently put up enough of a fight when the Augments took over to earn Khan's notice. "I never forget a face..."

Is this actually cannon or is this a fan theory? I don't recall dialog explicitly stating Chekov was a security officer at the time of Space Seed, but I could very well be wrong.

Scout101 August 14 2013 04:39 PM

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Says 'novels' right in the post you quoted, so not cannon. Above fan theory, but it's definitely not set in stone.

But since the actor wasn't hired onto Star Trek yet when Space Seed aired, and yet Khan recognizes him, "in-universe" he had to be on the ship somewhere and just not promoted up to bridge duty...

Bry_Sinclair August 16 2013 01:59 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8498263)
He'd been learning under Scotty for a few months according to the dialogue, IIRC. That made him best for knowing the Enterprise's heavily modified engine configuration, which Scotty mentions to Keenser in the club in San Francisco.

So what's the rest of the Engineering staff been doing? Hiding out in the staff room playing cards and drinking coffee whilst Scotty, Keenser and occassionally Chekov do all the work?

I get that it's a cheap cop out, rather than pay an extra to say lines give it to one of the "main" characters, but still seems very impractical, as it then leaves the ship without its whizkid Navigator, so an extra has to be drafted in to cover that post.

BillJ August 16 2013 03:16 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8514676)

I get that it's a cheap cop out, rather than pay an extra to say lines give it to one of the "main" characters, but still seems very impractical, as it then leaves the ship without its whizkid Navigator, so an extra has to be drafted in to cover that post.

If I have to use a person that I personally trust to do either job, I'm going to put that person in Engineering. It's really that simple.

Nerys Myk August 16 2013 03:45 PM

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Keith1701 wrote: (Post 8507143)
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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8498242)
Why was Ensign Chekov, the ship's navigator, assigned to oversee Engineering? Surely there would be numerous Lieutenants with more experience and specific training to cover in Scotty's absence.

Good Question.

Not really. See the post above yours.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 16 2013 06:01 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8514676)
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8498263)
He'd been learning under Scotty for a few months according to the dialogue, IIRC. That made him best for knowing the Enterprise's heavily modified engine configuration, which Scotty mentions to Keenser in the club in San Francisco.

So what's the rest of the Engineering staff been doing? Hiding out in the staff room playing cards and drinking coffee whilst Scotty, Keenser and occassionally Chekov do all the work?

I get that it's a cheap cop out, rather than pay an extra to say lines give it to one of the "main" characters, but still seems very impractical, as it then leaves the ship without its whizkid Navigator, so an extra has to be drafted in to cover that post.

But Chekov covered for Spock in TOS, despite not being part of the science divison. What were Spock's blueshirts doing then? Or in TAS when Arex covered when Spock was away?


...or even TNG, when helmsman LaForge was suddenly the best man to take over engineering in season two? Were Argyle's people really that useless?

Nerys Myk August 16 2013 06:06 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8515447)
...or even TNG, when helmsman LaForge was suddenly the best man to take over engineering in season two? Were Argyle's people really that useless?

Yeah they were. Wesley was usually better than them. ;)

King Daniel Into Darkness August 16 2013 06:17 PM

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:lol:True. And it makes you wonder how much hate Wesley got from all the ther pilots on the Enterprise when he took over the helm when LaForge became engineer.

"You guys went to the acadmey and worked your asses off to get here? Well, my Mom's the doctor and the captain likes me!"


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