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BlueStuff August 11 2013 09:03 PM

The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
This is a game that was played here a couple of years ago, and it proved to be a lot of fun, spanning across each Trek series, as well as a great way to mentally revisit those episodes you may not have thought about in a while. With that in mind, why not play again?

So, here's the game. The basic idea is your standard elimination game. I'll provide a list of the episodes for each season and you need to eliminate your least favorite or the one you deem the 'worst.' Please provide an EXPLANATION for why you are eliminating your choice and be sure to copy and paste the list with your choice removed. Finally, leave at least 2 eliminations by other posters before you eliminate another episode.

No tactical voting! You cannot remove an episode because you feel they would threaten your preferred episode's chance to win.
Pretty simple. Enjoy! :bolian:

Winners
The Original Series - Balance of Terror
The Next Generation - The Measure of a Man
Deep Space Nine -

Season One - Emissary
Season Two - The Wire
Season Three - The Die is Cast
Season Four - The Visitor
Season Five -


Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
The Assignment
Trials and Tribble-ations
Let He Who is Without Sin...
Things Past
The Ascent
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
The Begotten
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
A Simple Investigation
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Ferengi Love Songs
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Sran August 11 2013 09:09 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
"The Assignment" is the one I'd get rid of first. I just don't see the point, besides making O'Brien suffer (again). Keiko is one of the most despised characters in all of Trek, and they decide to have an entire episode featuring her. Unbelievable!

--Sran

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Let He Who is Without Sin...
Things Past
The Ascent
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
The Begotten
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
A Simple Investigation
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Ferengi Love Songs
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

AllStarEntprise August 11 2013 09:14 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
We can airlock Let He Who is Without Sin.
--Edit--

The motive of the New Essentialist was a stupid premise for an episode. The terrorist coup of the weather system to spoil everyone's fun on was Risa facepalm worthy. I felt that it made Worf look like a tool by joining New Esstianlist and opposing his friends.

The only redeeming part of the episode is when Worf shares the story with Dax.
SfDebris beautifully illustrates this episodes failure. http://sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/d505.asp

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
The Ascent
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
The Begotten
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
A Simple Investigation
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Ferengi Love Songs
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Sran August 11 2013 09:15 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Quote:

AllStarEntprise wrote: (Post 8496334)
We can airlock Let He Who is Without Sin.

Explanation?

--Sran

R. Star August 11 2013 09:44 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Because it's an episode that makes everyone in it look bad, stupid, petty, incompetent or any combination thereof.

As for my elimination... the Begotten. Literally an episode where they just decided to get rid of all the lose ends. Odo being a changeling and Kira's pregnancy. While Odo's arc with Mora was nice to watch, it was utterly predictable. The Kira/O'Brien baby and Shakaar and O'brien having a cock fight was just lame to watch.

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
The Ascent
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
A Simple Investigation
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Ferengi Love Songs
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Roboturner913 August 11 2013 09:45 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
I'm eliminating A Simple Investigation. "Bedroom eyes" was weird and creepy and the "twist," if it can even be called that, was super-obvious.

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
The Ascent
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Ferengi Love Songs
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Sran August 11 2013 09:47 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Quote:

R. Star wrote: (Post 8496460)
Because it's an episode that makes everyone in it look bad, stupid, petty, incompetent or any combination thereof.

Thank you.

Quote:

R. Star wrote:
As for my elimination... the Begotten. Literally an episode where they just decided to get rid of all the lose ends. Odo being a changeling and Kira's pregnancy. While Odo's arc with Mora was nice to watch, it was utterly predictable. The Kira/O'Brien baby and Shakaar and O'brien having a cock fight was just lame to watch.

This episode made me develop a strong dislike for Shakaar. I actually saw it before I saw "Crossfire," which made said dislike even more intense. It would have been nice seeing O'Brien cold-cock his self-righteous ass.

--Sran

Seven of Five August 11 2013 09:48 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Ferengi Love Songs is another terrible Ferengi family 'comedy' hour, so off it goes.

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
The Ascent
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Sran August 11 2013 09:50 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
"The Ascent" is another episode I don't like. It reminds me too much of the film Alive, and there's no follow-up to it. It's an hour of television devoted to Odo and Quark taking cheap-shots at each other until they're rescued by the Defiant.

--Sran

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

jimbotron August 11 2013 09:52 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places - Romance in Trek (especially dopey romance) rarely works out. Especially when you throw in Ferengi and Klingons. The technobabble ventriloquism was pretty bad.

Edit: Oh yeah, the B-story. O'Brien and Kira almost having a "moment".....ugh.

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
Business as Usual
Ties of Blood and Water
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

The_Beef August 11 2013 09:57 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
"Business as Usual" for being kind of pointless and for the way every other cast member basically shuts Quark out when they hear about his gun-running. Seemed unnatural, forced.

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
Ties of Blood and Water
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
Empok Nor
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Seven of Five August 11 2013 10:13 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Empok Nor, for being a bit dull. I didn't like seeing Garak as he was written here, and the episode in general feels flat.

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
Ties of Blood and Water
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
Blaze of Glory
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Sran August 11 2013 10:16 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
This might surprise people, but I've got "Blaze of Glory" next. It's a great idea, but the execution is poor. I mean, Eddington as the hero? It doesn't work. He's not a sympathetic character, no matter how many times the writers tried to portray him that way.

Why?

Well, he wasn't a member of the regular cast, for one thing. He was always depicted as something of an outsider- DS9's answer to Will Decker from The Motion Picture- and drew the ire of fans even before he defected because he was a threat to Odo and because he tried to sabotage the Defiant. I don't know if the writers planned for him to betray Sisko and the others from the time his character was conceived, but he always came off as someone of questionable loyalty even before his true allegiance became known.

I think this episode would have had much more emotional value had Bernie Casey been able to reprise his role as Cal Hudson from "The Maquis." Hudson's character is mentioned as having died during a battle with the Cardassians, but it would have been nice for him to have an on-screen death. If nothing else, it may have provoked an emotional reaction from Sisko and also established a pattern that would continue once the war started- Sisko and other crew members losing close friends. Brooks did a nice job of reacting to the news about Hudson's death, but there was no other mention of the character following that scene. As Dax knew Hudson, it would have been nice had both she and Sisko taken a moment during the episode's final scene to remember their friend.

--Sran

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Doctor Bashir, I Presume?
Ties of Blood and Water
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
In the Cards
Call to Arms

R. Star August 11 2013 10:27 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Doctor Bashir, I Presume... I just don't like they retconned Bashir's genetic enhancement. It would've been epic if they said from the beginning he had a dark secret in his past and Bashir was behaving accordingly, but no it was just thrown out there and left to deal with. Even Robert Picardo can't overcome the awkwardness of that and as for the B plot with Rom and Leeta... that was painful to watch at times, I actually thought Rom was masturbating when he was rubbing his ears watching Leeta... she should've gone for Zimmerman. ;)

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Ties of Blood and Water
Soldiers of the Empire
Children of Time
In the Cards
Call to Arms

Seven of Five August 11 2013 10:31 PM

Re: The least disliked episode of DS9 - Season Five
 
Soldiers of the Empire is a bit of average Klingon fare. It's good to see Martok struggling to re-adjust to life after his imprisonment, but the rest the plot is middling.

Apocalypse Rising
The Ship
...Nor the Battle to the Strong
Trials and Tribble-ations
Things Past
Rapture
The Darkness and the Light
For the Uniform
In Purgatory's Shadow
By Inferno's Light
Ties of Blood and Water
Children of Time
In the Cards
Call to Arms


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