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The Overlord August 10 2013 06:18 PM

Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever? The thing is Bok is not the typical Ferengi, he was motivated by revenge rather then greed, so it seems like they had to take a Ferengi character away from the typical Ferengi and give him a more personal reason to hate Picard to make him menacing.

Geoff Peterson August 10 2013 06:44 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
The Battle was the second time the Ferengi appeared. Not sure they had an idea what the typical Ferengi was.

JirinPanthosa August 10 2013 06:45 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
I'm not sure any of the Ferengi have ever been genuinely threatening. Maybe Brunt.

The Overlord August 10 2013 07:01 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
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Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 8492503)
The Battle was the second time the Ferengi appeared. Not sure they had an idea what the typical Ferengi was.

Yes, but in the first two episodes the Ferengi appeared, most of the Ferengi were motivated solely be greed, with Bok being an exception and since those episodes most Ferengi have been motivated by greed.

R. Star August 10 2013 07:06 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
I'd say Lek was the most threatening Ferengi. Anyone who holds the job title of Eliminator raises an eyebrow and he seemed the type who could quietly make you go away if you pissed him off.

Mojochi August 10 2013 10:20 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
I can't say if he's the most threatening, but he was genuinely threatening, which is rare in a Ferengi. I'd say he's one of the 2 rarest Ferengi in all of Trek, the other being Reyga the inventor of the metaphasic shield from TNG's Suspicions

R. Star August 10 2013 10:27 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
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Mojochi wrote: (Post 8493301)
I can't say if he's the most threatening, but he was genuinely threatening, which is rare in a Ferengi. I'd say he's one of the 2 rarest Ferengi in all of Trek, the other being Reyga the inventor of the metaphasic shield from TNG's Suspicions

See I wish we'd have seen more characters like these. They were thoroughly convincing examples that defied the racial stereotype that makes the whole race into a parody.

Mojochi August 10 2013 10:40 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
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R. Star wrote: (Post 8493316)
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Mojochi wrote: (Post 8493301)
I can't say if he's the most threatening, but he was genuinely threatening, which is rare in a Ferengi. I'd say he's one of the 2 rarest Ferengi in all of Trek, the other being Reyga the inventor of the metaphasic shield from TNG's Suspicions

See I wish we'd have seen more characters like these. They were thoroughly convincing examples that defied the racial stereotype that makes the whole race into a parody.

Agreed. It took years to slowly build Nog & Rom up enough to make them leave behind the stereotype. Yet, TNG just did it... in one episode... like "Oh, here's a Ferengi. He's not like the others". It's fiction. It's that easy

M'rk, son of Mogh August 11 2013 05:51 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
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R. Star wrote: (Post 8493316)
See I wish we'd have seen more characters like these. They were thoroughly convincing examples that defied the racial stereotype that makes the whole race into a parody.

But isn't that generally the whole point of the alien races? Usually it happens mostly with the one-offs, but the Ferengi definitely fit in there as well. To mostly reduce them to stereotype to hold up the mirror about that particular aspect of us?

R. Star August 11 2013 07:52 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
You do a disservice to any culture by lumping them all into a single stereotype. Trek really was bad about that. They'd probably think all British people do is sit around drinking tea and eating crumpets.

JirinPanthosa August 11 2013 11:56 PM

Re: Was Daimon Bok the most threatening Ferengi villain ever?
 
I agree portrayals of alien races should be more diverse, but nine out of ten times when they do that, 'more diverse' means 'more like humans'.


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