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jaygibson77 August 6 2013 12:42 PM

Bridge Ceiling / Dome
 
Did the ceiling / dome of the Enterprise D bridge serve a purpose? Or was it just decorative? Was it transparent? The crack in Generations kinda supports this. Just looking an explanation for it -- canon or otherwise.

Trekker4747 August 6 2013 01:19 PM

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jaygibson77 wrote: (Post 8476264)
Did the ceiling / dome of the Enterprise D bridge serve a purpose? Or was it just decorative? Was it transparent? The crack in Generations kinda supports this. Just looking an explanation for it -- canon or otherwise.

It's purpose? To look out of.

Was it transparent? Yes. By virtue of the fact of being able to see through it.

Hober Mallow August 6 2013 09:26 PM

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The purpose was to give the TV audience a greater sense of actually being in space. It didn't make a lot of practical sense, but then again having the bridge module where it was -- right on top of the saucer -- never made much sense to me either. Way too vulnerable there. It should have been hidden right in the middle of the saucer where it would be better protected and allow for easier and more direct access to other parts of the ship in an emergency situation. But sometimes practical considerations have to be weighed against the dramatic needs of television series.

Trekker4747 August 6 2013 09:52 PM

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I never bought into the "vulnerability" aspect people like to bring up when it comes to the bridge's location. The shields and such make it just as protected as any other spot on the ship and why would an attacker take out the bridge? Sure you'll probably kill the command crew but then there's still 100s of other people on the ship who can take over. It'd be better to take out the engines, the weapons systems or the deflector which can in of itself destroy the ship. And those are all bigger, easier, targets.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 6 2013 10:02 PM

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It would have been cool to have the crew look up and seeing a gigantic Borg cube looming above.

But alas, it was frivolous and completely forgotten.

Trekker4747 August 6 2013 10:07 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8478352)
It would have been cool to have the crew look up and seeing a gigantic Borg cube looming above.

But alas, it was frivolous and completely forgotten.

There's only so much they could do with special effects back then.

King Daniel Into Darkness August 6 2013 10:20 PM

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I know, but one static shot of the cube looming above wouldn't have been hard to do.

Trekker4747 August 6 2013 10:44 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8478445)
I know, but one static shot of the cube looming above wouldn't have been hard to do.

Actually, given the time period, it would've been pretty hard to do. Impossible? No. But timely and likely expensive (there were no blue/green screens above the set) to do for almost no pay-off.

jimbotron August 6 2013 11:10 PM

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Hober Mallow wrote: (Post 8478166)
It should have been hidden right in the middle of the saucer where it would be better protected and allow for easier and more direct access to other parts of the ship in an emergency situation.

That's how Probert initially designed the Enterprise-D. Roddenberry vetoed it, however.

(From Memory Alpha)

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Gene Roddenberry asked only for two modifications to Probert's final design. He wanted to restore the bridge to its position on the top of the saucer section, which Probert had originally placed in the center of the saucer feeling "that in a ship that size, the bridge, being the center of command, should be in the center" and that "it would still have the electronic visual capabilities" with the added consideration that it would have been well protected. Roddenberry and Justman felt that the ship's defensive capabilities were able enough to protect the bridge no matter where it was placed even as exposed as it was on top of the saucer and they also wanted to allow viewers to be able to scale the rest of the ships in their minds. The other modification Roddenberry asked for was to extend the nacelles, which Probert had slanted forward in order to create the visual impression of a "lunging cat", so that they had similar proportions to the original Enterprise.
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...oddenberry.jpg

R. Star August 6 2013 11:50 PM

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Sorry, but I do buy into the vulnerability bit. The shields fail all the time, and giving a tangible target for an enemy take out the command crew is absurd. Yes there are other people who can take over, but it'll take time for them to figure out who's in charge and where, and an over all loss of efficiency in a crisis. The bridge should've been right smack in the middle of the saucer where a single hull breach couldn't wipe it out.

Thankfully for the Federation, it's a law of the Star Trek universe that death is usually instantaneous to any enemy who gives the command "target their bridge."

Hober Mallow August 7 2013 03:14 AM

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Trekker4747 wrote: (Post 8478274)
I never bought into the "vulnerability" aspect people like to bring up when it comes to the bridge's location.

Really? Tell that to the family of poor Ensign Noname, who died in "Nemesis" when the forward section of the bridge was torn away.

Seriously, though, wouldn't it make more sense for the bridge to have direct access to other parts of the ship. As it is, if the bridge is cut off from direct access to Deck 2, it's cut off from the rest of the ship.
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R. Star wrote: (Post 8478847)
Sorry, but I do buy into the vulnerability bit.

Me, too, but there's something also to be said for being able to look at the model and actually see the bridge.

DonIago August 7 2013 03:52 AM

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From a realism standpoint it makes little sense. From a television standpoint it makes a lot of sense.

R. Star August 7 2013 04:25 AM

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I don't know what's worse, that they assume most of us are too dumb to figure out where on the ship they are without a blindingly obvious part sticking out, or that they're right. But yeah.. it is what it is.

DonIago August 7 2013 05:20 AM

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It's not really any worse than movies featuring cities with recognizable landmarks...

Melakon August 7 2013 06:35 AM

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Hober Mallow wrote: (Post 8479741)
. . .poor Ensign Noname, who died in "Nemesis" when the forward section of the bridge was torn away. . .

That would have been the perfect death scene for Wesley Crusher.


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