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JJohnson August 3 2013 05:18 AM

NX Ranks and crew occupations
 
I'm looking to gather information on what those 85 crew would be doing on the ship, and what kind of rank structure we'd see on the ship, as if it were a real starship. Specifically, what positions should the first Warp 5 ship have, what ranks would you need to hold to have specific positions, and which ratings would the ship have? I'm trying to tie it in to The Cage and TOS, so there will be yeomen to assist the captain, and I'm trying to tie it more closely to the modern Navy, so there should be enough enlisted to do most of the heavy lifting. I just want to make sure there are enough people do do all the jobs needed.

So far:

Bridge crew:
Position - minimum rank
Captain - Captain
First Officer - Commander
Chief Engineer - Lt Cdr
Science Officer - Lt Cdr
Chief Medical Officer - Lt Cdr
Communications Officer - Lt
Tactical Officer - Lt
Helmsman - Lt
Navigation (added to tie into TOS) - Lt.

Departments:

Command:
-Captain (1) - captain
-First Officer (1) - CDR
-Second Officer (1) LT CDR
-Chief of the Boat (1) - SPO
-anything else?

Engineering - headed by Chief Engineer, Lt Cdr
-chief (1) - Lt Cdr
-assistant chief (1) - Lt
-damage control specialist
-computer system specialist
-environmental system specialist
-warp drive system specialist
-impulse drive system specialist
-sensor system specialist

Operations?
-Chief Operations Officer (1) - CPO? Lt?
-Assistant Chief (1) - PO1? Lt JG?
-shuttle operations officer (1) - PO1?, runs shuttle launch/retrieval
-quartermaster (1) - PO2? - supplies, ship's stores
-yeoman (1) - CN1? - secretary

Communications - headed by communications officer, Lt
-chief (1) - Lt
-assistant chief (1) - Lt JG
-Linguist
-

Sciences - headed by Chief Science Officer, Lt Cdr
-chief (1) - Lt Cdr
-assistant chief (1) - Lt.
-biologist
-botanist
-archaeologist
-stellar cartographer
-minerologist
-chemist

Medical - headed by Chief Medical Officer, Lt Cdr
-CMO (1) - Lt Cdr
-Assistant Chief (1) - Lt
-Doctor
-Nurse (2)

Security - headed by Chief of Security, Lt.
-Chief (1) - Lt
-Assistant Chief (1) - Lt JG
Tactical - headed by Tactical Officer, Lt Cdr

Flight Operations
-Chief Helmsman (1) - Lt
-Assistant Chief Helmsman (1) Lt JG
-Helmsman (2)
-Chief Navigator (1) - Lt
-Assistant Chief Navigator (1) - Lt JG
-Navigator (2)



Crew can be enlisted or officers, ranks as in the US Navy. Have I missed any positions/ranks there should be on a starship?

Melakon August 3 2013 05:27 AM

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I've no military experience. But how many workshifts are there? Three 8-hour, or four 6-hour? Determine how many you need per shift to come up with 85.

Is this for a story? Fan film?

JJohnson August 3 2013 05:57 AM

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Melakon wrote: (Post 8462266)
I've no military experience. But how many workshifts are there? Three 8-hour, or four 6-hour? Determine how many you need per shift to come up with 85.

Is this for a story? Fan film?

I'll probably go with either the 3-section submarine watch system or the one-in-two. It seemed the captain had breakfast in the mornings, so I'm thinking the traditional 3-section watch he'd be on team 1 from 0800-1200 or team 2 on the Royal Navy watch. I'm just not sure which of the various watch schemes would work best.

It's for a story I'm writing. It's not a main point of the story, but when I have a shift transition shown, I just want to be consistent as to which officer's passing off to whom.

SchwEnt August 3 2013 02:28 PM

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FJ's TOS Enterprise plans had a breakdown of that ship's complement, much as you are doing for the NX Enterprise. You could check it out to get some general ideas.

jespah August 3 2013 04:38 PM

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There's a chef, and there's at least one steward. I'd highly recommend a sous-chef (who can usually be the steward, but it's better if there are two of them). This is the most efficient way to get 85 or so people fed, as food can be brought out while other dishes are being cooked, and dirty plates retrieved (and put into and removed from a dishwasher) and food waste recycled. This is the NX era, so someone probably has to wipe down tables and clean the floor.

I realize it's not the most glamorous detail on board, but a chef and at least one steward are canon.

T'Girl August 3 2013 05:34 PM

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JJohnson wrote: (Post 8462233)
First Officer - Commander

T'Pol's Vulcan rank of sub-commander might more closely be related to the US/British naval rank of lieutenant commander (or corvette captain in most navies) and not commander.

:)

R. Star August 3 2013 05:42 PM

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Really in a real military structure a naval vessel with only a 100 people, maybe ten at most would be officers. You'd probably have a lieutenant commander or maybe even a lieutenant as the commanding officer.

But Star Trek has always been officer heavy to say the least, couple that with you'd probably have a bloated rank structure given it's the first long range vessel too.

C.E. Evans August 3 2013 06:42 PM

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T'Girl wrote: (Post 8463610)
Quote:

JJohnson wrote: (Post 8462233)
First Officer - Commander

T'Pol's Vulcan rank of sub-commander might more closely be related to the US/British naval rank of lieutenant commander (or corvette captain in most navies) and not commander.

:)


It's likely a different kind of navy. For example, in the Romulan forces, commanders were equivalent to Starfleet captains:
  • Commander Toreth from TNG
  • Commander Tomalak from TNG
  • Commander Donatra from Star Trek X
There mighty be parity in between the Romulan military and the Vulcan High Command as both have the rank of subcommander.

nightwind1 August 3 2013 06:46 PM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 8463631)
Really in a real military structure a naval vessel with only a 100 people, maybe ten at most would be officers. You'd probably have a lieutenant commander or maybe even a lieutenant as the commanding officer.

But Star Trek has always been officer heavy to say the least, couple that with you'd probably have a bloated rank structure given it's the first long range vessel too.

Just for comparison's sake, on my USCG cutter, we had a crew of 69.

The only officers were:
Captain, whose rank was Commander
XO, whose rank was Lieutenant
Two Ensigns

We had a Warrant Officer 2, two CPO's, three PO1's, I don't remember how many PO2's and PO3's, and the rest were non-rates from E1 to E3.

The ship was USCGC Sundew (WLB-404), a 180' buoy tender/icebreaker (the only one on all of Lake Superior) that was built in 1946.



nightwind1, PO3, USCG, 1988-1993

T'Girl August 3 2013 07:32 PM

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A few opinions on this matter.

With a crew of about 85 (and going by modern navies) the Enterprise should have 8 or 9 officers, 11 chiefs and the rest junior petty officers and crew.

If the ship does run on three shifts, that only 28 people on duty at any one time.

The Engineering department, under the supervision of the Chief Engineer (Trip), is responsible for the reactor, warp engines, impulse engine and generally maintaining the ship itself.

The Ordinance department is managed by the Ordinance Officer (Malcom) and it maintains the ship's torpedoes, phase canons, armory, internal security (until the arrival of the MACOs) and ship's sensors.

Operations department is managed by the Operations Officer. From the show it not obvious who this person is, possibly someone we've just never seen. The helm (Travis) and communications (Hoshi), navigational and communications equipment are part of this. On modern ships I believe the communications personel work directly for the ship's navigator.

Supply department manages the ship's stores, spare parts, laundry, and kitchen/galley. Possibly run by a CPO and not a officer. Chef and the stewart are part of this, the galley would have at least 9 people and be in operation for 2 shifts.

Flight department, a relatively small department, under the charge of a junior petty officer. In addition to maintaining the shuttles and the flight deck area's immediate equipment, they might be responsible for things like landing party supplies and equipment, the ship's air locks, pressure suits and the decon chamber.

Medical department. The NX-01 Enterprise has a civilian "contractor" in this position, but if the Enterprise's departure hadn't been rushed that might not have been the case. Realistically there should at least one nurse and one (or two?) assistant/paramedic. Given the technology of the 21st century, perhaps no lab technicians. Technically only one shift, but always on call.

Science department is managed by the Science Officer (T'Pol), something of a wild card as to how many people would be in it. Many of these people might not be full time sciences personel, like during time periods when the ship is crusing between stars, and would have other duties aboard ship when not otherwise occupied with "science" activities.

:)

Bry_Sinclair August 3 2013 10:17 PM

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For my fanfics I always like to work out the department allocations and duties, and generally always work on a three-shift rotation as it seems to be standard in Trek.

Command – Headed up by the CO and XO, the Second Officer is also technically part of the department but is always a department chief in their own right. I always like to include a Watch Officer for the other two shifts, younger officers with command potential who are qualified enough to supervise the normal day-to-day running of each shift that the CO is not present for. Administration staff are also included here, which would include legal/personnel/protocol officers and admin assistants (yeomen).

Engineering – Chief Engineer in charge with two assistants/deputies to supervise the other shifts. In the list of specialties listed there you might also want to include: Diagnostics, Power, and Structural.

Operations – In this timeframe I would call them Services, which would cover things such as cargo bays, the hangar deck, transporters, as well as the Chef and Stewards. Basically all the little tasks that need doing but aren’t exactly glamorous.

Communications – I’d assume most comm officers were skilled linguists, maybe one has a background in cryptography. You would also need technicians on hand to see to proper workings of the equipment, beacons, and all that.

Sciences – I split my Science Department into five sections: Life (eg biology, ecology), Physical (eg chemistry, physics), Planetary (eg geology, mineralogy), Social (eg anthropology, archaeology), Stellar (eg astrophysics, stellar cartography). Depending on the field you might only need one expert, whilst others would demand more. As well as several labtechs who would assist with research projects and do the menial labour.

Medical – With only 85 crew you don’t really need a huge medical staff, one doctor and no more than four nurses/corpsmen/medtechs would be sufficient.

Security – I always like to work with four-man security teams, not sure why. These would be in addition to bridge tactical staff.

Flight Operations – You might like to have a designated shuttle pilot per shift as well as a navigation systems specialist. Just curious, but will the helmsman/navigator control weapons, or are you having a separate officer on the bridge for that?

T'Girl August 4 2013 03:18 AM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8464396)
You might like to have a designated shuttle pilot per shift

Might need to keep coming back to "there's only 85 people on board."

While Will Riker and Tom Paris were said to be extraordinary pilots, Star Trek seem to show that being able to handle a shuttle isn't really an unusual skill. Less piloting a high performance jet, and more just taking a van out of the motor pool. Chef might be able to pilot a shuttle.

The NX-01 could have NO designated shuttle pilots.

:)

R. Star August 4 2013 03:29 AM

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Quote:

T'Girl wrote: (Post 8465449)
Quote:

Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8464396)
You might like to have a designated shuttle pilot per shift

Might need to keep coming back to "there's only 85 people on board."

While Will Riker and Tom Paris were said to be extraordinary pilots, Star Trek seem to show that being able to handle a shuttle isn't really an unusual skill. Less piloting a high performance jet, and more just taking a van out of the motor pool. Chef might be able to pilot a shuttle.

The NX-01 could have NO designated shuttle pilots.

:)

Yeah, I'd see a lot of overlap. Okay, our chemist can work in operations when there's not a science mission going on. Our security officer can fly a shuttle when there's need and so forth.

JJohnson August 4 2013 04:25 AM

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My first post gave 42 people; I added a few to get 85. This is assuming the first and second officers are filled by the Chief Engineer and Chief Science Officer, so they don't double-count:

Command:
-Captain (1) - captain
-First Officer (1) - CDR
-Second Officer (1) LT CDR
-Chief of the Boat (1) - SPO

Engineering (12)
-chief (1) - Lt Cdr
-assistant chief (1) - Lt
-damage control specialist (1)
-computer system specialist (1)
-environmental system specialist (1)
-warp drive system specialist (1)
-impulse drive system specialist (1)
-sensor system specialist (1)
engineering officers (4) CN-PO3

Operations (8)
-Chief Operations Officer (1) - CPO? Lt?
-Assistant Chief (1) - PO1? Lt JG?
-shuttle operations officer (1) - PO1?, runs shuttle launch/retrieval
-chef (2) PO1, PO2
-steward (1) - CN1
-quartermaster (1) - PO2? - supplies, ship's stores
-yeoman (1) - CN1? - secretary

Communications
-chief (1) - Lt
-assistant chief (1) - CPO
-Linguist (2) - PO2, PO2
-cryptologist (1) PO3

Sciences (21)
-chief (1) - Lt Cdr
-assistant chief (1) - Lt.
-biologist
-botanist
entomologist
anthropologist
-archaeologist
-stellar cartographer
astrophysicist
geologist
-minerologist
physicist
-chemist
science officers (8)

Medical - headed by Chief Medical Officer, Lt Cdr
-CMO (1) - Lt Cdr
-Assistant Chief (1) - Lt
-Nurse (2)

Security - headed by Chief of Security, Lt.
-Chief (1) - Lt; Major Hayes
-Assistant Chief (1) - CPO
-security officers (16) CN to PO1

Tactical
-Chief (1) Lt Cdr Reed
-Assistant Chief (1) CPO
-tactical officers (2) PO2


Flight Operations
-Chief Helmsman (1) - Lt
-Assistant Chief Helmsman (1) Lt JG
-Helmsman (2) - PO3
-Chief Navigator (1) - Lt
-Assistant Chief Navigator (1) - Lt JG
-Navigator (2) - PO3
shuttle pilot (2) PO2

Nerys Myk August 4 2013 05:38 AM

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Why are Hayes and Reed the only specific officers mentioned? Security seems over manned with 18 members. What exactly are they securing?


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