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Ronald Held July 30 2013 09:55 PM

JJverse converts
 
How likely is it for viewers of either or both movies to be inspired to watch TOS episodes and become a fan of it?

BillJ July 30 2013 10:50 PM

Re: JJverse converts
 
I'm not sure anyone here, except people who became fans because of the films (if there are any), can answer that question.

As a fan since 1975, I liked the movies. Other long time fans didn't.

Gojira July 30 2013 10:58 PM

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It depends on how open minded they are. I grew up watching the original series in the early 70s in syndication and I still love watching it and I love the new movies.

Some people may turn their nose up at the looks of the show (which still hold up for me) but if they really watch it for the stories there are some great ones!

King Daniel Into Darkness July 30 2013 11:19 PM

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Ronald Held wrote: (Post 8447434)
How likely is it for viewers of either or both movies to be inspired to watch TOS episodes and become a fan of it?

I've seen a few posters with that story come through this site since 2009.

Supposedly there was a spike in Trek DVD sales across all series when the 2009 movie came out. And after Into Darkness premiered, Wrath of Khan was at the top of the Netflix chart for awhile.

JarodRussell July 30 2013 11:26 PM

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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8447767)
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Ronald Held wrote: (Post 8447434)
How likely is it for viewers of either or both movies to be inspired to watch TOS episodes and become a fan of it?

I've seen a few posters with that story come through this site since 2009.

Supposedly there was a spike in Trek DVD sales across all series when the 2009 movie came out. And after Into Darkness premiered, Wrath of Khan was at the top of the Netflix chart for awhile.

The question is if those are converts or fans rewatching what they already like.

LOKAI of CHERON July 30 2013 11:43 PM

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I'm 44, and have a friend who's ten years younger. He likes TNG era onwards and most of the movies. Once when watching a TOS episode at my place he commented on the "fake looking planet set", which made it difficult for him to get into the show. I said nothing, but I was inwardly smiling and thinking "point: missed"! It's a damn shame, but this kind of reaction to the "look" and production design of TOS may well cut many out of the loop almost before they begin.

trevanian July 31 2013 01:00 AM

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LOKAI of CHERON wrote: (Post 8447896)
I'm 44, and have a friend who's ten years younger. He likes TNG era onwards and most of the movies. Once when watching a TOS episode at my place he commented on the "fake looking planet set", which made it difficult for him to get into the show. I said nothing, but I was inwardly smiling and thinking "point: missed"! It's a damn shame, but this kind of reaction to the "look" and production design of TOS may well cut many out of the loop almost before they begin.

See, what seems weird to me is that TNG's planet sets for the first 2-3 years looked exactly as bad as TOS planet sets ... but it was 20 years later! So those planet sets looked infinitely worse in 1987 for contemporary viewers. Only AIRWOLF had fake outdoor sets (one of them anyway) that could rival the TNG ones for awfulness. I mean, HIDE & Q must not have even shot the planet hell horizon line right, because it actually looks like it is only a few yards deep before the horizon.

bbailey861 July 31 2013 02:06 AM

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LOKAI of CHERON wrote: (Post 8447896)
I'm 44, and have a friend who's ten years younger. He likes TNG era onwards and most of the movies. Once when watching a TOS episode at my place he commented on the "fake looking planet set", which made it difficult for him to get into the show. I said nothing, but I was inwardly smiling and thinking "point: missed"! It's a damn shame, but this kind of reaction to the "look" and production design of TOS may well cut many out of the loop almost before they begin.

Exactly.:techman:

teacake July 31 2013 02:35 AM

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trevanian wrote: (Post 8448169)
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LOKAI of CHERON wrote: (Post 8447896)
I'm 44, and have a friend who's ten years younger. He likes TNG era onwards and most of the movies. Once when watching a TOS episode at my place he commented on the "fake looking planet set", which made it difficult for him to get into the show. I said nothing, but I was inwardly smiling and thinking "point: missed"! It's a damn shame, but this kind of reaction to the "look" and production design of TOS may well cut many out of the loop almost before they begin.

See, what seems weird to me is that TNG's planet sets for the first 2-3 years looked exactly as bad as TOS planet sets ... but it was 20 years later! So those planet sets looked infinitely worse in 1987 for contemporary viewers. Only AIRWOLF had fake outdoor sets (one of them anyway) that could rival the TNG ones for awfulness. I mean, HIDE & Q must not have even shot the planet hell horizon line right, because it actually looks like it is only a few yards deep before the horizon.

Exactly, I always wondered about that. I would think people would be less forgiving of TNG's shitty sets but apparently not.

I've known quite a few 20's and under people who loved the JJ films and started watching Trek because of it, but none of them watched TOS to date. Definitely seems to be a big hurdle, the age and effects.

plynch July 31 2013 04:48 AM

Re: JJverse converts
 
A 24 year old friend of my daughter has now watched all TOS eps and movies because of JJ.

Kamdan July 31 2013 07:16 AM

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A friend of mine ranted and raved about the Abrams film, but when I tried to get him to watch the show, he was uninterested.

teacake July 31 2013 08:09 AM

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Those people are weak.

Hambone July 31 2013 01:35 PM

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I took my stepson to "Into Darkness" and he loved it. Shortly after, he started showing interest in TOS (through Me-TV). I told him to forget Me-TV and start watching my DVDs. That sealed the deal and we watched the entire series together. Now we've started on TAS.

1001001 July 31 2013 01:41 PM

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Our kids (18 and 10) loved the new movies, but don't have any interest in the Original Series. I did get my son to watch The Wrath of Khan with me, but he wasn't that interested.

They both love TNG though....

Jeri July 31 2013 02:06 PM

Re: JJverse converts
 
Our college-age nephew is a huge Star Wars fan, but he liked Star Trek 2009; so when he visited, I played him the (second) pilot of the Original Series. He was polite but yawning by the time it was over.

He had to ask me whether the episode was well thought of, whether people thought it was a good episode or not; I guess he couldn't tell for himself and wanted to know if it was representative. I told him that I thought the story and acting were good, but that it was very early in the series and some things evolved afterward.

He was just visiting at Christmas when he was here, so I don't know if I'll ever get the chance to show him another episode or if he will look on his own. From time to time on my Facebook page, I post Star Trek stills from Memory Alpha and Trek Core, in case he can see them.

I think he said he's seen Next Gen and liked it alright; but it's really hard to convert someone who only has six movies to deal with in order to be a fan -- to a thing that has 700+ episodes and 12 movies.

I feel confident the reason Star Wars has more fans than Star Trek is that it is easier to get into -- in addition to being fantasy, where Star Trek has science fiction that involves human beings and Earth.

Our nephew is a good kid; but it probably helps if a young person has a kind of academic interest in history or fondness for the mid-century modern era. I don't know how many of those there are. I don't give up on them, though; tastes change over a lifetime and usually they deepen.


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