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Sran July 25 2013 11:54 PM

What Was Scotty Doing There?
 
When Kirk first appears in TMP, he arrives at Starfleet Headquarters for a brief meeting with Admiral Nogura to get the Enterprise back. After the meeting, he beams to the floating orbital office adjacent to Enterprise because the vessel's transporters aren't working and takes a travel pod to the ship.

But why is Scotty there waiting for him? He didn't know that Kirk had been named as Decker's replacement until the latter told him. And as the Enterprise was in a rush to be ready for her mission, it's not as though he didn't have anything more important to do. So why was he in the office standing around? Was an officer told to greet Kirk but not given a reason? Did Kirk message Scotty before coming to Starfleet HQ so that they could meet there before going to Enterprise? Even if Scotty didn't know about the change in Kirk's assignment, it's still possible Kirk told him he wanted to see the ship, and Scotty thought he meant that he'd be inspecting the vessel before its voyage.

Does the TMP novelization expand on what Scotty was doing there? Is there additional dialogue that's not in the film? Thanks!

--Sran

MacLeod July 26 2013 12:07 AM

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It could be a case of that the Enterprise was informed to expect a visit by Admiral Kirk and Scotty was sent to pick him up.

In terms of getting the Enterprise ready to launch it makes litte sense to send Scotty who should have been overseeing trying to get the ship ready to launch. Sulu would have been a better choice.

So perhaps Scotty had been on the station/Earth for some reason.

Sran July 26 2013 12:14 AM

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MacLeod wrote: (Post 8428987)
So perhaps Scotty had been on the station/Earth for some reason.

I suppose he could have been using the space as an office to coordinate everything having to do with the refit instead of cluttering up the engine room on the ship itself, but that still doesn't fully explain why he'd be there when the ship was near completion, and he needed to run final system diagnostics and fix the transporters before launch. I agree that someone was probably sent to meet Kirk and bring him over, but you're right that someone besides Scotty would have made more sense. Why not Chekov? As security chief, he would have made the most sense as an escort for Kirk.

--Sran

C.E. Evans July 26 2013 12:29 AM

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Personally, I've always viewed that facility as being the main office of the San Francisco Fleet Yards, or at least its orbital component overseeing the actual work on the ships in the drydocks.

Sran July 26 2013 12:34 AM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8429068)
Personally, I've always viewed that facility as being the main office of the San Francisco Fleet Yards, or at least its orbital component overseeing the actual work on the ships in the drydocks.

Was Utopia Planitia around then? Because that's where most of the 24th century ships were assembled. The only time we saw the San Francisco drydock used was in Nemesis. Earth Station McKinley was used after "The Best of Both Worlds."

--Sran

The Keeper July 26 2013 12:47 AM

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And why doesn't the space-dock have a transporter facility on site? Needing to beam to a separate trailing facility then shuttling over to the dock, and vice versa, is really, really, really silly.

At 2:29 in the following clip a gantry, (similar to these becomes visible which would be a logical place to house a transporter.



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Scotty was there waiting for him for the same reason as my complaint above - to give Scotty a reason to take Kirk, (and us) on a fly around tour of the new design. And to a lesser degree, so they could have their little talk.

Sran July 26 2013 12:58 AM

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^Is that a gantry or merely a support beam holding the ship in place? It's definitely big enough.

--Sran

C.E. Evans July 26 2013 01:24 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8429086)
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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8429068)
Personally, I've always viewed that facility as being the main office of the San Francisco Fleet Yards, or at least its orbital component overseeing the actual work on the ships in the drydocks.

Was Utopia Planitia around then? Because that's where most of the 24th century ships were assembled.

No way of knowing.
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The only time we saw the San Francisco drydock used was in Nemesis.
Presumably the Enterprise-B was christened there too in Generations.

Aside from the original Enterprise and the Enterprise-E, the dedication plaques of the starships Enterprise-A, Excelsior, Stargazer, and Sutherland also list the San Francisco Yards as where they originated from.
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Earth Station McKinley was used after "The Best of Both Worlds."
The Voyager was supposedly built at Utopia Planitia as well, but commissioned at McKinley Station.

With that train of thought, the nuEnterprise may have been built at Riverside, but commissioned at the San Francisco Yards (it's still listed on her dedication plaque).
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...aque_(alt).jpg

BillJ July 26 2013 02:41 AM

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Because we don't want to watch a red shirt give Kirk the ten-minute tour.

Tralfaz July 26 2013 03:03 AM

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When an Admiral is coming aboard the ship, apparently for the first time, you aren't going to want to send a grunt for the tour. For the half hour or so for the whole tour, Scotty wouldn't have really been missed on the Enterprise. Also, it was a neat way of bringing Scotty back into the movie.

Christopher July 26 2013 03:07 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8428921)
Does the TMP novelization expand on what Scotty was doing there? Is there additional dialogue that's not in the film?

The one thing it adds is that Scott is talking with "a group at an engineering computer."

But I think the reason Scotty's there is clear enough from the timing of events in the film. Consider: Kirk tells Sonak that he's going to a meeting with Nogura that he expects to last mere minutes, that he intends to be on the Enterprise following the meeting, and that Sonak is to beam aboard in an hour. Then, in the next scene, he materializes aboard the office complex, where Scotty complains about the new departure orders. It's about another six minutes before they reach the ship, then Kirk spends a couple of minutes on the bridge, then he goes to engineering to talk with Decker for a few minutes, and then the transporter accident happens when Sonak beams aboard.

That means that Kirk's arrival on the office complex was no more than about 40 minutes after his meeting with Nogura, unless that meeting took significantly longer than the three minutes Kirk estimated, which seems likely. So it stands to reason that when Kirk arrived in the office complex, Scotty had only gotten the revised departure orders less than half an hour before. He would've had to rework the whole refit schedule in an awful hurry, and where would you do such an administrative task from? The office complex. He probably had to meet with the other top people who had offices in the orbital complex and talk with them about how to fulfill the orders. When Kirk arrived, Scotty hadn't yet had time to get to the ship and begin implementing the new plan that he'd been hashing out in the offices.

SeerSGB July 26 2013 03:35 AM

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Maybe Kirk asked for him to meet him?

As for why no transporters in the dock: Security? I never understood why they just couldn't relay Kirk via transporter to the Enterprise. Beam up to the office complex, then beam over to the ship

Christopher July 26 2013 04:18 AM

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Why waste transporter power beaming such a short distance? The travel pod is probably more efficient at that range.

Maurice July 26 2013 07:28 AM

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The space office complex was also a parts manufacturing facility as designed by Mr. Probert. That's what the lower section is for. It's entirely possible Scotty was there to oversee some parts being rushed out to finish up some bit of the ship's systems.

Green Shirt July 26 2013 11:11 AM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8429263)
the nuEnterprise may have been built at Riverside, but commissioned at the San Francisco Yards (it's still listed on her dedication plaque).
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...aque_(alt).jpg

I haven't seen the plaque until now. I'm glad they used the correct "Starship Class" designation. :techman:


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