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picardo July 19 2013 03:46 AM

Ship that's travelled the furthest?
 
Which Starfleet ship has travelled the furthest? Picard's Enterprise to Triangulum and the Outer Rim? ...Or Voyager to the Delta quadrant?

C.E. Evans July 19 2013 03:50 AM

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It could very well be Kirk's Enterprise which was in service longer than either vessel or possibly even the Enterprise-B for all we know. Those ships could have travelled tens of thousands of light-years during their time.

Sran July 19 2013 03:50 AM

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I don't know how to answer this question because distance could be measured in time as well as space.

--Sran

Shawnster July 19 2013 03:52 AM

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Kirk's Enterprise traveled past the edge of the Milky Way 3 times. If you include TAS, it also went to the center of the galaxy.

picardo July 19 2013 04:00 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8399089)
I don't know how to answer this question because distance could be measured in time as well as space.

--Sran

I mean geographical distance with respect to planet Earth. Which one, at any given moment, has been the furthest away? Which one has really gone where no man has gone before?

Sran July 19 2013 04:07 AM

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picardo wrote: (Post 8399125)
I mean geographical distance with respect to planet Earth. Which one, at any given moment, has been the furthest away? Which one has really gone where no man has gone before?

I still don't know how I'd answer that because the normal rules regarding geographic distance don't apply in space. Voyager traveled to fluidic space and back. Multiple Starfleet officers traveled to entirely different dimensions. Any of these would fit the definition of "where no one has gone before."

--Sran

BillJ July 19 2013 04:11 AM

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In pure light years it would be Picard's Enterprise.

Sran July 19 2013 04:13 AM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8399161)
In pure light years it would be Picard's Enterprise.

I'd have guessed that except that we don't know where V'Ger came from on its trip back.

--Sran

picardo July 19 2013 04:18 AM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8399146)
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picardo wrote: (Post 8399125)
I mean geographical distance with respect to planet Earth. Which one, at any given moment, has been the furthest away? Which one has really gone where no man has gone before?

I still don't know how I'd answer that because the normal rules regarding geographic distance don't apply in space. Voyager traveled to fluidic space and back. Multiple Starfleet officers traveled to entirely different dimensions. Any of these would fit the definition of "where no one has gone before."

--Sran

Agreed, but in terms of kilometres, light years, etcetera, between Earth and another point in space, remember when it was mentioned that the Voyager would need 70 years to return home, while The Enterprise needed some 300 years to travel back from Triangulum (if I recall correctly)? Even though normal geographic rules don't apply, there are tangible indicators of one's position in space with regard to planet Earth?

So I believe Picard's Enterprise was further away than Janeway's Voyager was, it's the impression I get

Sran July 19 2013 04:21 AM

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picardo wrote: (Post 8399191)
So I believe Picard's Enterprise was further away than Janeway's Voyager was, it's the impression I get

I agree with that, though I think V'Ger probably traveled farther than any other vessel. Christopher gives details about where he thought V'Ger went before returning to Earth in his novel Ex Machina.

--Sran

Third Nacelle July 19 2013 05:25 AM

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Shawnster wrote: (Post 8399104)
Kirk's Enterprise traveled past the edge of the Milky Way 3 times. If you include TAS, it also went to the center of the galaxy.

Was it actually stated they traveled out past the rim of the galaxy? I always figured they left the Milky way traveling perpendicular to the galactic plane.


I'd guess it was the Enterprise-D that traveled the farthest when it went to the edge of the universe... as far as it gets, unless we're counting trips to other dimensions/realms.

At one point Q(uinn) took Voyager back to the Big Bang, so I suppose technically they were outside of the universe during that. But that's not so much traveling as Q instantly transporting them.

R. Star July 19 2013 10:13 AM

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Yeah, I'd have to go with the E-D traveling to the edge of the universe too.

King Daniel Into Darkness July 19 2013 10:34 AM

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Distance from Earth? The Enterprise-D in "Where No One's Gone Before".

Most space-miles on the clock? That has to be Kirk's Enterprise in TOS and TAS, which goes from the galactic rim ("Where No Man Has Gone Before"), back there and halfway to Andromeda ("By Any Other Name") and then to the centre of the galaxy ("The Magicks of Megas Tu")

You've just gotta keep in mind that Star Trek: Voyager slowed warp speed down a LOT for their series. What was a 75-year journey for them at warp 9.975 according to "Caretaker" would have taken Kirk's Enterprise a month at warp 8.4 according to "That Which Survives" (see Ep1 in my sig for the episode clips)

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Third Nacelle wrote:
Was it actually stated they traveled out past the rim of the galaxy? I always figured they left the Milky way traveling perpendicular to the galactic plane.

Nope, that's a fudge introduced in the Star Trek Star Charts in 2002 to make TOS seem a little more plausible in the context of Voyager. According to "By Any Other Name"...

KIRK: What happened to your ship?

ROJAN: There is an energy barrier at the rim of your galaxy.

KIRK: Yes, I know. We've been there.

http://www.chakoteya.net/startrek/50.htm

T'Girl July 20 2013 09:40 PM

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^ Problem with that is, from the region of the Earth/Federation traveling toward the galaxy of Andromeda you're going to be traveling "downward" from the plane of our galaxy at a fairly steep angle. They would have left the plane of the galaxy long before reaching the plane's terminus .

Why would the Enterprise travel along the plane of the galaxy, pass through the barrier, then turn downward towards Andromeda?

While it does somewhat streach the meaning of the word, it does seem to make sense that "rim" is used to indicate the entire exterior of the galaxy. And the energy barrier completely formfittingly encloses the galaxy.

So when the Enterprise visited the "edge of the galaxy" in WNMHGB, they likely were traveling straight "up" perpendicular to the galaxy plane.

Earth being above the plane, traveling upward would be a shorter distance to the edge than traveling downwards.

:)

Andres July 21 2013 02:24 PM

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i'd say its a tie Voyager and Enterprise, Voyager traveled 75,000 light years back home and the Enterprise traveled to the edge of the Galaxy or almost got there and made it to the Galactic Core in ST V:TFF


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