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Andres July 17 2013 07:55 AM

Klingon Neutral Zone
 
When the Klingon Moon of Praxis exploded and the KE seeked help from the Federation, at the meeting with all the Starfleet officals the idea of dismantling the Neutral Zone arose. Now after the Khitomer Accords the Federation and Klingons were strained but after Nerranda III a friendship blossomed. By the time that the Dominion War arrived did the Klingon Neutral Zone still exist or had it been marked void as both powers had close ties? Or was the Neutral Zone still established as a "just in case"?

TheSubCommander July 17 2013 08:30 AM

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I don't remember anything canon, saying either way, so this is just conjecture on my part. I think the Klingon Neutral Zone, at least the side shared with the Feds, may have been treated more as a border by the time of TNG, than a DMZ, because the Enterprise crossed into Klingon space pretty frequently. There may have been nominal forces still stationed, just in case, but I don't see two allies having a heavily militarized border.

Now I am sure the Romulan-Klingon Neutral Zone was probably highly fortified on each side. For obvious reasons.

Pavonis July 17 2013 02:04 PM

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The Klingon neutral zone? Didn't that first get mentioned in the films? Wasn't Kirk afraid if peace with the Klingons happened, there'd be no more Neutral Zone? I'd say it would be abolished, if it ever really existed. The Neutral Zone was supposed to be associated with the Romulans, not the Klingons.

Kevman7987 July 17 2013 02:49 PM

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Going by clues dropped in the franchise, The Klingon/Federation border didn't always have a neutral zone.

TOS always mentioned the Klingon border. The mention of a neutral zone did not appear until the movies. by the time of TNG, the Klingon border has become just a border again.

I get the feeling that the Federation/Klingon neutral zone only existed for a short time anyway. Maybe 20ish years.

Anwar July 17 2013 03:42 PM

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The Klingon Neutral Zone was more or less a mistake. Originally, the enemies in the Kobayashi Maru test were supposed to be the Romulans, which explained why they mentioned a Neutral Zone and all that. Then they changed it to Klingons without changing anything else so now there was a Klingon Neutral Zone too.

It's mentioned only once more, in TUC, but after that it's never mentioned again. Mainly because it was a mistake it existed in the first place.

Merry Christmas July 17 2013 06:16 PM

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It was mentioned (in a way) in TSFS as well, Kurge at one point told his helmsman to set course for the "Federation Neutral Zone," which probably the Klingon term for what the Federation refers to as the "Klingon Neutral Zone."

What we saw in TWOK in Saavik simulator test didn't seem to be a zone entirely separating the Federation from the Empire, and more a enclosure of a limited area. An area of exclusion.

:)

Anwar July 17 2013 07:08 PM

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T'Girl wrote: (Post 8392342)
It was mentioned (in a way) in TSFS as well, Kurge at one point told his helmsman to set course for the "Federation Neutral Zone," which probably the Klingon term for what the Federation refers to as the "Klingon Neutral Zone."

I think that was a holdover from the previous version of the story, where Kruge and the Klingons were Romulans (which is why they had a cloaked ship called a Bird-of-Prey).

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What we saw in TWOK in Saavik simulator test didn't seem to be a zone entirely separating the Federation from the Empire, and more a enclosure of a limited area. An area of exclusion.

:)
Yep, but what exactly the Neutral Zone is supposed to be is kind of a debated thing (or it was, back then). Originally, the Zone was an enclosed space that contained the Romulan Home System and the Romulans were like the Kzinti from Larry Niven's stories (blockaded within their own system only) but then they changed their minds and made them an Empire so now the Zone is a guarded Border instead of a containment line.

MacLeod July 17 2013 07:15 PM

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Perhaps the KNZ came about due to the Organian Peace Treaty

Harvey July 17 2013 08:24 PM

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The Klingon Neutral Zone is first mentioned in TWOK. It's a mistake, basically. The de Forest Research company strongly recommended changing it to the Romulan Neutral Zone; they also recommended a reference to "Gamma Hydra" to keep the film in line with the television series. For some reason (perhaps to use the stock footage from TMP without comment), the Klingon Neutral Zone stayed, but Gamma Hydra was added to the dialogue.

The later films stuck to the idea.

BK613 July 17 2013 09:23 PM

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^^
it's been a while since I watched TWOK but I don't think they ever referred to it as "the Klingon Neutral Zone", just "the Neutral Zone" ( or "the Zone".)

Sure there were Klingon battlecruisers present but it was also a training exercise: their presence might be a surprise element for the Kobayshi Maru and not actually reflect reality...;)

Pavonis July 17 2013 09:55 PM

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^Good point. The KM scenario must have a few out-of-the-blue surprises to throw at the cadets, otherwise they'd all know what to expect after just one of them took it.

C.E. Evans July 18 2013 12:50 AM

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MacLeod wrote: (Post 8392597)
Perhaps the KNZ came about due to the Organian Peace Treaty

That's the way I've viewed it.

The Klingon Neutral Zone may have been just be a region of previously contested sectors that were declared off-limits to both the Federation and the Klingons.

Anwar July 18 2013 02:16 AM

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Then why would there be Klingon Battlecruisers inside the Zone ready to intercept any Fed ships that went in there?

Sran July 18 2013 02:19 AM

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Anwar wrote: (Post 8391820)
It's mentioned only once more, in TUC, but after that it's never mentioned again. Mainly because it was a mistake it existed in the first place.

Wasn't Nimbus III in the Neutral Zone?

--Sran

Pavonis July 18 2013 02:21 AM

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Yup, the Planet of Galactic Peace was in the Neutral Zone. But which one?


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