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Ain Jalut July 13 2013 02:41 PM

If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
Who should be on team evil and team good;

Team Evil:

Tamerlane

Idi Amin

Reimagined Gowron

Dr Mengele and he should throw chemicals at people

Team good;


Kirk

Spock

Surak

Alfred Noble and he could throw dynamite or do some fancy tricks with explosives.

Caretaker July 13 2013 03:13 PM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
Why would they use a 24th century Klingon like Gowron? I would think they would use Molor, unless they want to go with "evil Kahless" like in the original series.

Elvira July 13 2013 03:31 PM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
Tamerlane was "evil?"

:)

Ain Jalut July 13 2013 03:41 PM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
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Caretaker wrote: (Post 8373262)
Why would they use a 24th century Klingon like Gowron? I would think they would use Molor, unless they want to go with "evil Kahless" like in the original series.

I always tought of NuTrek as mirror, not an alternate universe. Just roll with it or give me your list.

Elias Vaughn July 13 2013 03:58 PM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
Evil:
-Random Suliban #872
-Borg Queen
-Khan
-Kahless

Good
-McCoy
-Spock
-Jonathan Archer
-Lincoln

flandry84 July 13 2013 10:52 PM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
team evil...
Dr.Evil
G.W Bush;)
Oh,and the guy who pitched the idea of the X factor

George Steinbrenner July 15 2013 12:38 AM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
Good? Kirk, McCoy, Spock, Surak.

Evil? Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, Pol Pot

hbquikcomjamesl July 16 2013 12:19 AM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
And to Ain Jalut: it's Nobel!

Avro Arrow July 16 2013 04:32 AM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
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T'Girl wrote: (Post 8373307)
Tamerlane was "evil?"

I stipulate that a) history isn't my strong suit, and b) perhaps Wikipedia isn't the best resource for this type of thing. But I was curious, based on your question. From his Wikipedia article:

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Wikipedia wrote:
Timur's armies were feared throughout Asia, Africa, and Europe. sizable parts of which were laid to ruin by his campaigns. Scholars estimate that his military campaigns caused the deaths of 17 million people, amounting to about 5% of the world population, leading to a predominantly barbaric legacy.

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Wikipedia wrote:
Timur invaded Syria, sacked Aleppo and captured Damascus after defeating the Mamluk army. The city's inhabitants were massacred, except for the artisans, who were deported to Samarkand.

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Wikipedia wrote:
He invaded Baghdad in June 1401. After the capture of the city, 20,000 of its citizens were massacred. Timur ordered that every soldier should return with at least two severed human heads to show him.

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Wikipedia wrote:
While Central Asia blossomed under his reign, other places such as Baghdad, Damascus, Delhi and other Arab, Georgian, Persian and Indian cities were sacked and destroyed and their populations massacred.

So maybe not "evil", depending on your definition, but he certainly doesn't seem like he'd be up for any "good neighbour" awards.

I stand by to be corrected by those who know more about history than I, however.

Christopher July 16 2013 03:01 PM

Re: If they reimagine The Savage Curtain in the ongoing
 
^Conquest was how people built nations back then, and thus you could say that pretty much every imperial ruler committed evils by our standards (considering that they were undemocratic monarchs, usually kept slaves, etc.). Morality has advanced so far in modern times that even the best people in the past would be pretty rotten people by today's standards.

Timur was much like Alexander or Genghis and many other imperial rulers: using brutality to create his empire, but then using the unity and stability of his empire to foster notable advances in art and culture, the study of history, mathematics, astronomy, economics, etc. If not for the progress achieved under empires like the Timurids and il-Khans, Europe would never have adopted Arabic numerals and the zero, and Copernicus would never have solved the riddle of planetary motion.

This is the paradox of the ancient world, that so much progress and enlightenment went hand in hand with such brutish violence. It's what I've been saying, that you can't understand history by reducing it to some cartoon battle of good and evil.

For the Wikipedia article to say Timur has a "predominantly barbaric legacy" is inexcusably biased; a statement so judgmental should never be permitted in a scholarly article. The downside of Wikipedia is that anyone with an axe to grind can rewrite an article to replace fact with propaganda. The upside, though, is that anyone can fix it.


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