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Crazyewok July 9 2013 02:34 PM

Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
Just watched were no man has gone before.

Why didnt they just go with the orginal plan of just marooning him.

After they fixed the ship they could have just beamed up and left him and Dehner on planet as the transporters were working.

Once back in contact at starfleet they could have just made the planet a quarantined planet like talos and left it as that.

Mario de Monti July 9 2013 02:47 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
Maybe Kirk was afraid, Mitchell would ultimately become so powerful that he could force starships to come to him regardless of a quarantine zone ... or escape from Delta Vega some other way.
Or Kirk just had "issues" after Mitchell killed Kelso.

Ive always wondered, if Mitchell was killed at all. When that rock fell on him he had already regained his power. And with his power present, not even a blast from a phaser rifle could harm him.
Just a thought ...

Mario

Crazyewok July 9 2013 02:57 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
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Mario de Monti wrote: (Post 8354815)
Maybe Kirk was afraid, Mitchell would ultimately become so powerful that he could force starships to come to him regardless of a quarantine zone ... or escape from Delta Vega some other way.
Or Kirk just had "issues" after Mitchell killed Kelso.

Ive always wondered, if Mitchell was killed at all. When that rock fell on him he had already regained his power. And with his power present, not even a blast from a phaser rifle could harm him.
Just a thought ...

Mario


There had to be some cap on the power as the crew of the Valient did not end up detroying the Galaxy so his power must have stoped growing at some point.

Retu July 9 2013 03:46 PM

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Crazyewok wrote: (Post 8354851)
There had to be some cap on the power as the crew of the Valient did not end up detroying the Galaxy so his power must have stoped growing at some point.

Except the captain of the Valiant destroyed his own ship before that could happen.

feek61 July 9 2013 04:55 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
Mitchell could make organic material appear out of thin air. What would have stopped him from making a ship appear out of thin air?

BillJ July 9 2013 05:13 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
I always thought it was pretty clear that Kirk couldn't let Mitchell survive. :shrug:

Robert Comsol July 9 2013 05:45 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
Apparently, after Mitchell had killed his friend Kelso in cold blood (more like "crushed like an insect" as he had announced he would in the transporter rrom) he had crossed a line and revealed that he had become personified evil (i.e. militant selfish- and ruthlessness) and considering his powers he needed to be stopped, judged (for killing a fellow shipmate) and executed.

Kirk made that clear with what he probably thought would be his last order:

KIRK: If you have not received a signal from me within twelve hours, you'll proceed at maximum warp to the nearest Earth base with my recommendation that this entire planet be subjected to a lethal concentration of neutron radiation. No protest on this, Mark. That's an order.

Of course and most likely, the Q Continuum would have put a stop to Mitchell's rampage (where do the Q come from, did they also encounter the energy barrier?) but Kirk did it himself, so they didn't see the need to interfere. ;)

Bob

Hartzilla2007 July 9 2013 05:54 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
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Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 8355469)
Of course and most likely, the Q Continuum would have put a stop to Mitchell's rampage

Doubtful since they probably would only care if he came after them.

T'Girl July 9 2013 06:08 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
i think that it was less Kirk going after Mitchell to get Mitchell, and more Kirk going to attempt to rescue Dehner.

Kirk would not have realized that she had "turned," and could easily have thought she had left with Mitchell unwillingly.

Otherwise Kirk and the ship would have simply left, and proceeded with the plan to irradiate the planet later.

:)

ssosmcin July 9 2013 06:12 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
Mitchell: "I'll just keep getting stronger. You know that, don't you?"

Yup, he did know that. There was no foreseeable limit to Mitchell's growth and power. Mitchell had to die or else grow so powerful, anything would be possible for him. Even getting off the planet. Either Kirk would have to do the deed, or his last order would (hopefully) take care of it.

The real question should be, "why didn't Kirk just grab the phaser rifle when Gary was normalized and blow him away instead of having a brawl?" I mean, aside from "the episode had to end with a fistfight in a ditch."

DavidGutierrez July 9 2013 06:27 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
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ssosmcin wrote: (Post 8355571)
Mitchell: "I'll just keep getting stronger. You know that, don't you?"

Yup, he did know that. There was no foreseeable limit to Mitchell's growth and power. Mitchell had to die or else grow so powerful, anything would be possible for him. Even getting off the planet. Either Kirk would have to do the deed, or his last order would (hopefully) take care of it.

The real question should be, "why didn't Kirk just grab the phaser rifle when Gary was normalized and blow him away instead of having a brawl?" I mean, aside from "the episode had to end with a fistfight in a ditch."

On-screen evidence suggests that Micthell flung Kirk's phaser rifle too far away for Kirk to recover it promptly (the parabolic arc looked very long and shallow, we never heard it hit the ground). Coupled with Dehner's warning to Kirk after Mitchell and Dehner's struggle ("Hurry! You haven't much time!") and Kirk probably thought that his only option was to try to kill Mitchell with his bare hands. Or, perhaps he was simply trying to incapacitate him until another solution could be devised.

Either way, the fistfight never felt forced or contrived to me. In fact, unforced and uncontrived fistfights are my favorite kind. :)

DavidGutierrez July 9 2013 06:30 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
And, then I went back at watched the clip with the fistfight and saw that the rifle was actually only a few meters away...my bad.

Although, it landed in a place Kirk wouldn't have seen when he began fighting Mitchell. It's possible he didn't know where the rifle was until he and Mitchell took the fight over that big boulder and down the hill.

Still not contrived!

Relayer1 July 9 2013 06:31 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
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Hartzilla2007 wrote: (Post 8355490)
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Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 8355469)
Of course and most likely, the Q Continuum would have put a stop to Mitchell's rampage

Doubtful since they probably would only care if he came after them.

Doubtful being as they didn't exist at the time...

YJAGG July 9 2013 07:05 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
after seeing Kelso Kirk realized Spoke and ( and Mitchell) were right he would be so powerful that he had to be stopped ( for good)

Kevman7987 July 9 2013 07:12 PM

Re: Why did Kirk Kill Mitchell?
 
Hmm. I wonder if Dehner and Mitchell would have eventually become so powerful they would have lost corporeal form and moved on. Our entire reality so below them that they just ignore it?


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