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Zippo and Flask July 7 2013 02:49 PM

Why is Data so likeable?
 
I'm currently watching "The Offspring" and was thinking about the question: what makes Data so likeable as a person?

What are your thoughts and reasons for liking Data?

sadsquid July 7 2013 03:02 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
I think a big part is that he treats everyone with respect. He doesn't have prejudice or pride or anything, so whether its a senior officer, a 'lower decks' officer or a civilian, he listens to them and treats them as equals. He's even polite and civil to his captor in The Most Toys!

His childlike innocence and na´vety, combined with his massive strength and intelligence, make him kind of the type of person the human race would aspire to be in an idealistic, optimistic future, where you can afford to be innocent and naive because there's no greed or selfishness or people taking advantage of you.

Zippo and Flask July 7 2013 03:20 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
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sadsquid wrote: (Post 8346085)
make him kind of the type of person the human race would aspire to be

I agree. It is ironic that Data aspired to be like humanity, when perhaps it should have been humanity which aspired to be like Data.

d'Anconia July 7 2013 03:25 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
His lack of emotions (in the episodes) is what gives him the likeable personality. The only judgement he can make is whether an action is moral or immoral. He doesn't feel prejudice, jealousy, hatred against anyone else (unlike other characters), which is a trait that sets his personality aside from others. Also, a person that always makes a moral decision can't be despised!

Zippo and Flask July 7 2013 03:38 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
^ Those are good points. I wonder, how much of morality is made up of logic and emotion? Said another way, what is a 100% moral decision? Is it one which is purely logical, purely non-emotional, some combination of the two, or based upon other factors?

sonak July 7 2013 04:24 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
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sadsquid wrote: (Post 8346085)
I think a big part is that he treats everyone with respect. He doesn't have prejudice or pride or anything, so whether its a senior officer, a 'lower decks' officer or a civilian, he listens to them and treats them as equals. He's even polite and civil to his captor in The Most Toys!

His childlike innocence and na´vety, combined with his massive strength and intelligence, make him kind of the type of person the human race would aspire to be in an idealistic, optimistic future, where you can afford to be innocent and naive because there's no greed or selfishness or people taking advantage of you.


that's a good point about the "treats everyone with respect" without regards for things like rank or status. You're right, you got politeness and civility no matter who are what you were.

Tosk July 7 2013 04:43 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
I also find his eagerness to learn and lack of guile quite charming. I love his demeanor when being taught to dance by Beverly in Data's Day. The whole scene is beautifully done.

And sometimes it's the tiniest things that I enjoy. Once in a while he does something so...human (for want of a better word) that you cannot believe that anyone would ever doubt his sentience. I think it's also in Data's Day when he is sitting at a work station thinking to himself and he catches his finger tapping...I don't know why, but I love it. :D

R. Star July 7 2013 06:02 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
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Zippo and Flask wrote: (Post 8346037)
I'm currently watching "The Offspring" and was thinking about the question: what makes Data so likeable as a person?

What are your thoughts and reasons for liking Data?

He's programmed to be likable. Especially after Lore. But as to why I like him? Well in a way he's looking at the world through a child's eyes with the same sense of wonder, yet without the other annoying traits of children. He's innocent and always polite. And honest to a fault.

Mutai Sho-Rin July 7 2013 06:51 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
As a corollary, would a real human so lacking in guile, prejudice and emotion be so appealing. Unfortunately, a piece of me says no. His android uniqueness makes Data's traits desirable in a very special way.

Sadara July 7 2013 07:26 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
Oh, time for an unpopular Star Trek opinion. I'm actually one of the very few fans that finds Data trying. I don't dislike him, but he's not even close to making my top 20 list of favorite Star Trek characters.

I guess for me, he's an interesting character, but I would find it difficult to have patience with him and his endless questions and such. He's also unintentionally funny which I guess for me isn't as humorous as say, Damar and Worf who are sarcastic and mean to be so.

Data's okay, but I don't get the obsession with him.

JiNX-01 July 7 2013 07:41 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
He's not a jerk.
He doesn't judge.
He strives to improve himself.
He has a cat. I have a cat. :D

The Old Mixer July 7 2013 09:06 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
I don't think anyone's said it explicitly, so I'll add in a nomination for Brent Spiner's performance of the qualities that others have mentioned. In the wrong hands, the same character on paper could come off as creepy and annoying. There was a brief learning curve, but Spiner nailed it.

Timewalker July 7 2013 09:33 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
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Sadara wrote: (Post 8346868)
Oh, time for an unpopular Star Trek opinion. I'm actually one of the very few fans that finds Data trying. I don't dislike him, but he's not even close to making my top 20 list of favorite Star Trek characters.

I guess for me, he's an interesting character, but I would find it difficult to have patience with him and his endless questions and such. He's also unintentionally funny which I guess for me isn't as humorous as say, Damar and Worf who are sarcastic and mean to be so.

Data's okay, but I don't get the obsession with him.

You have a kindred spirit here. I tolerate Data in small doses. I don't like him, and I don't get why Spiner the actor is considered so wonderful.

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JiNX-01 wrote: (Post 8346907)
He's not a jerk.
He doesn't judge.
He strives to improve himself.
He has a cat. I have a cat. :D

He has a cat that apparently had a sex change, and Data doesn't consider his cat sentient. No real cat lover thinks that.

Captain Rob July 7 2013 10:05 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
Data doesn't have a cat.

Spot has an android.

Dream July 7 2013 10:09 PM

Re: Why is Data so likeable?
 
It's very jarring whenever a character like Pulaski is mean to Data. Feels like someone kicking a puppy.


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