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Ketrick July 5 2013 05:30 AM

Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
Wouldn't it be smart for CBS or Paramount to just make a deal with or take over Star Trek: Phase II and/or Star Trek Continues as a way to get Trek back on air in some media or other? They both are quality fan series and at least Phase II has a fan base that could be built on which could somewhat negate the economic difficulties a brand new Trek series would face.

AviTrek July 5 2013 05:39 AM

Re: Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
The fan base of either is so tiny it doesn't matter for CBS. And why would a professional producer want to be burdened with the amateurs involved in either show?

Beyond that, the only thing either show has is the IP which CBS already owns.

Ketrick July 5 2013 05:51 AM

Re: Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
So far, both series have done a decent job on their own so all CBS would really need to do is just provide finances and oversight and guidance, perhaps from someone like Manny Coto. The problem is, of course, they will almost certainly wish to be more hands on than is really necessary. Still, I think it could work as long as CBS isn't too heavy handed. By the way, I suspect Phase II has a larger fanbase than you think.

Therin of Andor July 5 2013 06:26 AM

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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8337967)
So far, both series have done a decent job on their own so all CBS would really need to do is just provide finances and oversight and guidance

Hollywood execs - and actors', extras' and directors' unions - don't work that way.

Throwing money at amateurs doesn't necessarily produce a higher quality product, nor guarantee a larger audience. And would fans who love making a show for fun, and no profit, really want to toss in their day jobs in hope that things would be... better? More authentic? Better accepted?

Have you seen many professional publishers buying up fanzines or sponsoring the amateur editors to print more? Have you seen many amateur home chefs get pursued by gourmet restaurants?

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I suspect Phase II has a larger fanbase than you think
Based upon...?

R. Star July 5 2013 07:18 AM

Re: Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8337928)
Wouldn't it be smart for CBS or Paramount to just make a deal with or take over Star Trek: Phase II and/or Star Trek Continues as a way to get Trek back on air in some media or other? They both are quality fan series and at least Phase II has a fan base that could be built on which could somewhat negate the economic difficulties a brand new Trek series would face.

That's kinda what they're hoping will happen with Star Trek Renegades. Stands a slightly better chance of being taken over anyways since it involves some of the actors from the various shows.

Ketrick July 5 2013 07:26 AM

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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8337928)
Wouldn't it be smart for CBS or Paramount to just make a deal with or take over Star Trek: Phase II and/or Star Trek Continues as a way to get Trek back on air in some media or other? They both are quality fan series and at least Phase II has a fan base that could be built on which could somewhat negate the economic difficulties a brand new Trek series would face.

That's kinda what they're hoping will happen with Star Trek Renegades. Stands a slightly better chance of being taken over anyways since it involves some of the actors from the various shows.

True, however, if Renegades special effects are anything like Of Gods and Men's, I doubt it. Phase II and Continues have far better special effects than OGAM did.

Dukhat July 5 2013 08:28 AM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 8338114)
That's kinda what they're hoping will happen with Star Trek Renegades. Stands a slightly better chance of being taken over anyways since it involves some of the actors from the various shows.

Renegades, like any other fan-produced productions, has no chance in hell of ever being legitimized by CBS, no matter who is involved or starring in it.

Opus July 5 2013 08:41 AM

Re: Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
If a fan production could PROVE it was pulling in large numbers - HUGE numbers that mattered to a big corporation like CBS, you bet they'd be jumping to buy it up and continue production.

As of yet, no one's been able to provide any hard numbers to justify making such a move.

GSchnitzer July 5 2013 10:27 AM

Re: Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8337967)
So far, both series have done a decent job on their own so all CBS would really need to do is just provide finances and oversight and guidance, perhaps from someone like Manny Coto. The problem is, of course, they will almost certainly wish to be more hands on than is really necessary. Still, I think it could work as long as CBS isn't too heavy handed. By the way, I suspect Phase II has a larger fanbase than you think.

Ooooo! Being replaced by Manny Coto would be delightful! Only when I am out on my ear will our fan series become really good and popular!

(For what it's worth, we've recently brought Mr. David Gerrold onboard as our "show runner.)

Belz... July 5 2013 10:34 AM

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Therin of Andor wrote: (Post 8338039)
Throwing money at amateurs doesn't necessarily produce a higher quality product, nor guarantee a larger audience. And would fans who love making a show for fun, and no profit, really want to toss in their day jobs in hope that things would be... better? More authentic? Better accepted?

Plus, the guys throwing money at them would then be in a position to dictate new directions which they might not want to take. Not happening.

Ketrick July 5 2013 01:36 PM

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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8337967)
So far, both series have done a decent job on their own so all CBS would really need to do is just provide finances and oversight and guidance, perhaps from someone like Manny Coto. The problem is, of course, they will almost certainly wish to be more hands on than is really necessary. Still, I think it could work as long as CBS isn't too heavy handed. By the way, I suspect Phase II has a larger fanbase than you think.

Ooooo! Being replaced by Manny Coto would be delightful! Only when I am out on my ear will our fan series become really good and popular!

(For what it's worth, we've recently brought Mr. David Gerrold onboard as our "show runner.)

Lol! I actually think you and the others in charge of Phase II have done an excellent job and that's why I wish CBS would just make Phase II an official series. I wasn't talking about having you or anyone else replaced, just having CBS put in their "man". Now, I didn't know y'all had brought David Gerrold in to be "show runner". So, no offence to Manny Coto, but it sounds like you already have someone who will do and has already done an awesome job. I just hope CBS would accept him and keep him on. I know I would.

Tom July 5 2013 05:56 PM

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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8338132)
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R. Star wrote: (Post 8338114)
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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8337928)
Wouldn't it be smart for CBS or Paramount to just make a deal with or take over Star Trek: Phase II and/or Star Trek Continues as a way to get Trek back on air in some media or other? They both are quality fan series and at least Phase II has a fan base that could be built on which could somewhat negate the economic difficulties a brand new Trek series would face.

That's kinda what they're hoping will happen with Star Trek Renegades. Stands a slightly better chance of being taken over anyways since it involves some of the actors from the various shows.

True, however, if Renegades special effects are anything like Of Gods and Men's, I doubt it. Phase II and Continues have far better special effects than OGAM did.

As Doc Brown would say "Your not thinking fourth dimensionally!"

Ogam was shot in 2006, the effects were a little bit dodgy, but compare it to New Voyages in 2006, they are roughly on par with OGAM. So now 7 years later, Renegades will have amazing VFX, we have 3 separate companies working on it. 2 of those companies are also doing effects for P2 and Continues. Renegades shares a pretty close nit relationship with 'Continues', many on our crew are also doing some work with 'Continues' also.

BTW, like your screen name ;)

AviTrek July 5 2013 06:04 PM

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GSchnitzer wrote: (Post 8338453)
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Ketrick wrote: (Post 8337967)
So far, both series have done a decent job on their own so all CBS would really need to do is just provide finances and oversight and guidance, perhaps from someone like Manny Coto. The problem is, of course, they will almost certainly wish to be more hands on than is really necessary. Still, I think it could work as long as CBS isn't too heavy handed. By the way, I suspect Phase II has a larger fanbase than you think.

Ooooo! Being replaced by Manny Coto would be delightful! Only when I am out on my ear will our fan series become really good and popular!

(For what it's worth, we've recently brought Mr. David Gerrold onboard as our "show runner.)

Lol! I actually think you and the others in charge of Phase II have done an excellent job and that's why I wish CBS would just make Phase II an official series. I wasn't talking about having you or anyone else replaced, just having CBS put in their "man". Now, I didn't know y'all had brought David Gerrold in to be "show runner". So, no offence to Manny Coto, but it sounds like you already have someone who will do and has already done an awesome job. I just hope CBS would accept him and keep him on. I know I would.

Can the fans produce 20 episodes a year? Would they quit their day jobs? Are they even members of the relevant unions? Would the show even be that cheap once everyone involved is paid the union wage? And does either show have the us fan base in the millions that CBS would look for? What's your elevator pitch to moonves?

Sindatur July 5 2013 06:10 PM

Re: Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
Of Gods and Men was great fan Service, and great fun, but, it lacked a "Leading Man" (Or woman) personality to carry the movie. It was like a bunch of little vignettes with Character Actors. Like I said, it was great fun, but, certainly not saleable to the General Audience, who lack the nostalgia we have.

I haven't seen any Phase 2, but if it or Renegades has the same issues, they're no more salesable to the General Audience and therefore, would hold no attraction to CBS

GSchnitzer July 5 2013 06:55 PM

Re: Why hasn't CBS or Paramount just taken over a fan series or two?
 
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Sindatur wrote: (Post 8339392)
Of Gods and Men was great fan Service, and great fun, but, it lacked a "Leading Man" (Or woman) personality to carry the movie. It was like a bunch of little vignettes with Character Actors. Like I said, it was great fun, but, certainly not saleable to the General Audience, who lack the nostalgia we have.

I haven't seen any Phase 2, but if it or Renegades has the same issues, they're no more salesable to the General Audience and therefore, would hold no attraction to CBS

Well, whether our script is written by David Gerrold, or Dorothy Fontana, or by any of our writers, we try not to do lots of little little vignettes strung together to make an episode (although we have done short 5-minute-long stand-alone vignettes from time to time). Generally our full hour-long episodes follow a traditional TOS story structure involving the main characters of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.

A typical example is our Hugo Award- and Nebula Award-nominated episode "World Enough and Time" with George Takei reprising his role of Sulu (and Grace Lee Whitney as Rand):



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