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Shaw June 27 2013 01:27 AM

Phase II Enterprise Study Model
 
Back in the Summer of 2007 I did a clean up of the one-to-one scale (with the studio model) plans and the additional cross-section and bottom view for the Phase II Enterprise (that work can be found here). I had started in on drafting plans to make a more complete view of the Phase II Enterprise, attempting to fill in the gaps in data from Jefferies' plans with information from photos of Brick Price's studio model. Even with the combination of that data, there remained gaps which needed filling... but I didn't want to pollute the plans with my interpretations, I wanted the plans to be historically accurate with what the artists of Phase II were building. So I shelved the project with the intent to return to it one day.

I had set out to start in on doing research for this project again within the coming year. I knew that to start up again and to be ready to ask the right questions I'd need to go back and reassess what I had done previously and what new data had come to light in the intervening years. Oddly enough, recent events (which I'm not at liberty to discuss) pushed this forward with the possibility of access to new data of the Phase II Enterprise that should be able to fill in gaps that stopped my previous work.

At any rate, I work better with a three dimensional representation of what I'm working on (that is, I work better with a physical representation), so I started in on building a study model. The model itself will be about 1/500 scale and the primary hull and secondary hull are heavily modified parts from the AMT/ERTL refit kit. All other aspects of the model are scratch built, and considering the amount of effort required to modify the few AMT/ERTL parts I used, I should have scratch built those sections as well (live and learn).

I've made a ton of progress in my research and now have a pretty good idea of what Jefferies had intended for the Enterprise to look like. That research has also shown that the Price/Loos studio model deviated from Jefferies' version in a number of spots (most likely because of the time pressure to finish the model and Jefferies' lack of availability). Because of this, what had originally been a project to draw up a single set of plans has now been divided into two projects, one documenting the Jefferies' designs and the second the Price/Loos studio model.

My study model should mainly reflect Jefferies' designs, but as the model has been a research tool and I'm also not really that much of a model builder to begin with, it won't be the perfect representation of Jefferies' designů just the best I can do at my skill level.

I started the model back in October, and it has reached a surprising (at least to me) level of completion.


It only has a single nacelle right now because it was easier to build one, make a mold and then cast two nacelles that matched each other than it would have been to scratch build two. I'm pretty close to making the molds off the master nacelle and only have a few other elements to finish building (including the phaser assembly at the base of the dorsal).

Between the added information I've gotten and the process of actually building a physical model from Jefferies' plans, I've learnt a lot more about the Phase II Enterprise than I had from the clean up project I did back in 2007. This was a really cool design and I think would have been great to see on screen (even in the form that Price and Loos had built it).

At any rate, just thought I'd share this with you guys.

Albertese June 27 2013 02:14 AM

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Awesome! Good to see you around again. For a self-described inexperienced model, you did a damn-fine job with that build.

--Alex

Kaiser June 27 2013 03:00 AM

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This is Epic! :D

Like Forbins's or Feynman's Shipyards level of Epic :D

sojourner June 27 2013 05:47 AM

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Looks great Shaw! Good to see you again!

Mario de Monti June 27 2013 10:35 AM

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WOW, that┤s really something. Love the overall shape and how the nacelle turned out, great job :techman:

Thanks for sharing, looking forward to more.

Robert Comsol June 27 2013 12:52 PM

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Shaw wrote: (Post 8304823)
This was a really cool design and I think would have been great to see on screen (even in the form that Price and Loos had built it).

Great work and good to see you back at the Trek BBS (though we never "met" but given our "mutual" interests and October 2012 project starting points, this may change?). ;)

Yes, it is a really cool design and IMHO one that would have more credibly conveyed the notion that we are looking at a refit and not "a totally new ship" (according to Decker in TMP).

Which reminds me of the sketch that Andrew Probert once made. He sketched a TOS Yorktown as a test-bed vessel with some of the new technologies implemented in the final movie Enterprise for a fan production. Starlog Magazine had an article on that.

Bob

P.S.
And in Jefferies' World that would have been "NCC-1701-A" as the "1st Upgrade and Modernize" according to his original TOS sketch.

Mario de Monti June 27 2013 01:52 PM

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Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 8306491)
Yes, it is a really cool design and IMHO one that would have more credibly conveyed the notion that we are looking at a refit and not "a totally new ship" (according to Decker in TMP).

Absolutely, I agree. And I guess Andrew Probert may have felt the same way, since he suggested his new TMP Enterprise be designated NCC-1800, IIRC.

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Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 8306491)
Which reminds me of the sketch that Andrew Probert once made. He sketched a TOS Yorktown as a test-bed vessel with some of the new technologies implemented in the final movie Enterprise for a fan production. Starlog Magazine had an article on that.

WHERE can one see that sketch? Could you post a link?

publiusr June 27 2013 11:37 PM

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Yeah, I'd like to see that too.

I like Shaw making the Phase II look more back to TOS. Most Phase II efforts point more to TMP.

He has made the refit secondary hull even more streamlined in giving the shuttlebay the TOS treatment. You might want to include the sketch you made at fed-ref and hobbytalk (I think) of the saucer hull here too.

Now I seem to remember one of Jeffries TMP sketches showing what looked to be a small impulse deck at the aft base of the saucer support dorsal.

Now you are making a pho-torp tube that can be added on the front or left off at one's discretion. I wonder if you could test mount it on the back too.

I remember a Daedalus model that had a similar neck mount impulse exhaust.

Potemkin_Prod June 28 2013 07:33 AM

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The Yorktown fan film is in production. Interestingly enough, this is the fan film which starred George Takei and James Shigeta among others.

Details about it can be found here: http://www.orionpressfanzines.com/fanfilms/yorktown.htm

A trailer featuring the Yorktown is available here:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/mswALTOF5Hg

Additional info can be found on their FaceBook page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/yorktownmovie/

Robert Comsol July 6 2013 11:07 PM

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Since you asked for it, here it is (Andrew Probert's sketch for the testbed USS Yorktown).

Andrew said he had a colored version of it but would have to look for it, so hopefully this one will do for the moment.

http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/x...ps8e599cc0.jpg

Sarvek July 7 2013 02:15 AM

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Nice looking ship. :techman::techman: I did not know that Probert designed her. She is very unique is design. Was this to be the original Yorktown that Rodenberry had mentioned for the original series? It is really nice to see a ship like this.

Kaiser July 7 2013 04:52 AM

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Nice lookin ship there Thanks for sharing :)

Mario de Monti July 7 2013 09:27 AM

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Thanks a lot, this is really something :techman::techman::techman:

Ryan Thomas Riddle July 7 2013 06:00 PM

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Awesome! Really love the PII design. The one used on the fan series of the same name isn't quite as accurate as this one so it's great to see it realized! :)

Robert Comsol July 8 2013 11:48 AM

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Sarvek wrote: (Post 8344423)
Nice looking ship. :techman::techman: I did not know that Probert designed her. She is very unique is design. Was this to be the original Yorktown that Rodenberry had mentioned for the original series? It is really nice to see a ship like this.

I think not. "Yorktown" was the original name candidate for the original series which then got changed to "Enterprise".

According to Richard Arnold at one of the conventions I visited, the Yorktown was the "refit" starship that underwent a name change and became the Enterprise NCC-1701-"A" at the end of Star Trek: The Voyage Home.

How this holds up "in-universe" with the Yorktown of the aforementioned fan production from 1986 I don't know, but apparently it was considered to be some kind of testbed for the starship refits we saw in TMP and TWOK.

Bob


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