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cannicks June 26 2013 05:34 PM

Why did Odo send Laas to the Great Link?
 
Wouldn't that have been the more ethical choice, since it was his own people too?

Simply transport Laas via a runabout to the Gamma Quadrant and send an open message towards Dominion space that he is on a peaceful mission and is returning a Changeling.

You think the Founders won't pay attention to that, or destory Odo and their new long lost son? lol..:lol:

R. Star June 26 2013 06:23 PM

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cannicks wrote: (Post 8302483)
Wouldn't that have been the more ethical choice, since it was his own people too?

Simply transport Laas via a runabout to the Gamma Quadrant and send an open message towards Dominion space that he is on a peaceful mission and is returning a Changeling.

You think the Founders won't pay attention to that, or destory Odo and their new long lost son? lol..:lol:

It was season 7. The Founders had closed the wormhole by that point and no one was risking using it after the 2800 Jem'Hadar ships disappeared.

cannicks June 26 2013 07:57 PM

Re: Why did Odo send Laas to the Great Link?
 
Sisko could pwrsuaded the prophwrs to let it rhrough. Also rhe fleet was destroyed due tp a potential threat to Bajor . If odo stood for justice then he should have allowed Laas to join their people. Its. where he truly belongs

Sran June 26 2013 08:32 PM

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cannicks wrote: (Post 8303098)
Sisko could pwrsuaded the prophwrs to let it rhrough. Also rhe fleet was destroyed due tp a potential threat to Bajor . If odo stood for justice then he should have allowed Laas to join their people. Its. where he truly belongs

It's been awhile since I've seen this episode, but did Laas ever say that he wanted to join the Great Link? How is it justice if Odo makes that decision for him and takes him somewhere that he doesn't want to be?

--Sran

R. Star June 26 2013 08:38 PM

Re: Why did Odo send Laas to the Great Link?
 
Not to mention there's the small fact that the Link is infected and that joining with them would be deliberately infecting himself. Laas and Odo both didnt know that Odo had already infected Laas with the illness.

YJAGG June 26 2013 08:55 PM

Re: Why did Odo send Laas to the Great Link?
 
so Laas most likely died soon anyway

Sran June 26 2013 09:08 PM

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YJAGG wrote: (Post 8303377)
so Laas most likely died soon anyway

No way to know either way.

--Sran

cannicks June 26 2013 09:35 PM

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cannicks wrote: (Post 8303098)
Sisko could pwrsuaded the prophwrs to let it rhrough. Also rhe fleet was destroyed due tp a potential threat to Bajor . If odo stood for justice then he should have allowed Laas to join their people. Its. where he truly belongs

It's been awhile since I've seen this episode, but did Laas ever say that he wanted to join the Great Link? How is it justice if Odo makes that decision for him and takes him somewhere that he doesn't want to be?

--Sran

Its his home. Did he ever say he didnt want to join?

Sran June 26 2013 09:36 PM

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cannicks wrote: (Post 8303551)
Its his home. Did he ever say he didnt want to join?


Seems to me that he had no home and wanted to find the other Changelings the Dominion sent to explore the galaxy. Why would he return to the Great Link if that's what he intended to do?

--Sran

cannicks June 26 2013 09:40 PM

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cannicks wrote: (Post 8303551)
Its his home. Did he ever say he didnt want to join?


Seems to me that he had no home and wanted to find the other Changelings the Dominion sent to explore the galaxy. Why would he return to the Great Link if that's what he intended to do?

--Sran

Its his people.

Sran June 26 2013 09:44 PM

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cannicks wrote: (Post 8303572)
Its his people.

That he shares biochemical characteristics with the Founders doesn't make them his people. Family isn't about DNA sequences or physical traits. It's about finding individuals with whom one can identify. You've provided absolutely no evidence that Laas actually empathizes with or accepts the Great Link in even the smallest degree.

--Sran

R. Star June 27 2013 12:04 AM

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Not to mention by that logic Odo would've stayed with the Link in the Search.

Sran June 27 2013 12:50 AM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 8304364)
Not to mention by that logic Odo would've stayed with the Link in the Search.

Correct. And we know from various things Odo said that he did want to return to his people but elected not to do so until after the war was over. Why would Lass, someone with no prior relationship with the Founders, make a decision like that? It makes no sense at all.

--Sran

cannicks June 27 2013 01:30 AM

Re: Why did Odo send Laas to the Great Link?
 
Who is to say that Laas wouldn't have stayed at the Link? Since he too despised solids, it was more of a better fit than Odo who obviously welcomed them. this was essentially the reason why he rejected the Founders, not really because he was good and the Founders were evil, but he loved Kira and wanted to be with her. I'd imagine had Kira died prior, then he'd have little else to live for amongst solids and go back to the Link. Also, Laas only knew of the Link after he met Odo. Up until then, he had not means to know other Changelings even existed. One cannot catergorically state that as Laas was greeted at the Link and told "Welcome home" he'd respond "You're my people? Nah, not interested". It's likely he may share his people's hatred of the solids, and do what he could to subdue/exterminate them. Remember, he killed a Klingon and showed no remorse since he was a solid.

It's likely then as he was told "Welcome home" he would respond "It's good to be back after all these years. Let's go kill solids together! ":lol:

It's that as the Founders were Laas' people too, why should he be denied the opportunity to meet them? It was his home and origin, and if he chose to go, fine. They let Odo go, and all Founders seemingly have equal standing/choice (I see no evidence there are Founder leaders). Odo essentially was a hypocrite, since he denied one of his own species the opportunity to do something he wanted all of his life.

Just seems that if Odo lived his life in the pursuit of justice, then he should have at least shown Laas what the Great Link was. Why deny somebody their own origin? As for DNA ties, well I'd say a priori most species do have such a thing. Of course this is not absolute, but despite PC people disagreeing, most species do share utmost allegiance with conspecifics.

Sran June 27 2013 03:23 PM

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cannicks wrote: (Post 8304844)
Who is to say that Laas wouldn't have stayed at the Link?

Laas indicated several times that he was much more interested in finding the other Changelings who were sent out into the galaxy than he was in joining the Great Link.

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cannicks wrote:
It's likely he may share his people's hatred of the solids, and do what he could to subdue/exterminate them. Remember, he killed a Klingon and showed no remorse since he was a solid.

Laas himself said that he had no interest in conquering solids as the Dominion was attempting and that he preferred to avoid them altogether. Your "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" argument is baseless.

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cannicks wrote:
It's that as the Founders were Laas' people too, why should he be denied the opportunity to meet them? It was his home and origin, and if he chose to go, fine. They let Odo go, and all Founders seemingly have equal standing/choice (I see no evidence there are Founder leaders). Odo essentially was a hypocrite, since he denied one of his own species the opportunity to do something he wanted all of his life.

What are you talking about? Odo didn't deny Laas anything. He chose not to accompany him on his journey, but he allowed him to leave without interference. How is Odo a hypocrite for something he didn't even do? If you're going to present an argument like this, you need to provide facts to support your assertions. You've yet to do so.

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cannicks wrote:
Just seems that if Odo lived his life in the pursuit of justice, then he should have at least shown Laas what the Great Link was. Why deny somebody their own origin? As for DNA ties, well I'd say a priori most species do have such a thing. Of course this is not absolute, but despite PC people disagreeing, most species do share utmost allegiance with conspecifics.

It wasn't Odo's responsibility to take Laas to the Great Link. Laas was an individual and could have made that decision for himself. He didn't need Odo's help to find the Founders. And Odo was under no obligation to leave his life on DS9 behind to help someone he barely knew. I'll say it again: genetics don't determine one's family. Family is about making deep and meaningful connections with people whom one has many things in common with. Odo had no such connection to Laas despite their common origin, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that he would choose to stay with someone he loved.

As to your final point, you're presuming that all members of given species or ethnic group are alike, which is perhaps the most ignorant POV I've seen expressed in quite some time. Most Changelings may prefer to associate with other Changelings, but one cannot assume that this would be case for everyone.

--Sran


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