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Shaka Zulu June 24 2013 10:39 PM

Security or Marines?
 
That's what I've been wondering about the officers in the security holding pen in these scene from Star Trek III: The Search For Spock. Are they the standard cops/security, or Marines on a special detail? Here's a reminder from the movie:


George Steinbrenner June 24 2013 10:40 PM

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I always thought that guy was a civilian security guard or police officer.

Zippo and Flask June 25 2013 10:17 AM

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Confess that you created this thread only because it created the opportunity for us to see the "don't call me tiny" clip!

I don't know how many times I've seen ST III in my life, but this was the first time I noticed that Kirk gave McCoy the Vulcan salute when he asked him how many fingers he was holding up. I need to start paying attention in life.

Metryq June 25 2013 01:53 PM

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"That ain't a shepherd," and it ain't a Marine, either. Those guys in red with the helmets look far more dangerous than the rent-a-cops "guarding" the cell.

Shaka Zulu June 25 2013 03:00 PM

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I was referring to the guys in blue and white, actually and wondering if they were Marines, but I guess maybe you're right.

xvicente June 25 2013 05:41 PM

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They must be Starfleet. Their uniforms have all the pins and patchs and emblems as the red ones

LOL now I see the jackets have zippers in the back! must be difficult for them to dress for work.

Crazyewok June 25 2013 06:47 PM

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I thought it was just Starfleet jail guards.

SpHeRe31459 June 25 2013 08:36 PM

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Yep just security of some sort.

We've never seen confirmed marines in Trek, the closest we've come to sort of marines are the MACOs from the much later production of the Enterprise TV series.

Sran June 25 2013 08:43 PM

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Does anyone else find it funny that the guards are ordering around Kirk and Sulu as though they're nothing? Kirk was a flag officer, and Sulu was only a few steps away from a command of his own at this point in time. Those guys must have been suffering from some sort of complex.

--Sran

Crazyewok June 25 2013 08:45 PM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8298757)
Does anyone else find it funny that the guards are ordering around Kirk and Sulu as though they're nothing? Kirk was a flag officer, and Sulu was only a few steps away from a command of his own at this point in time. Those guys must have been suffering from some sort of complex.

--Sran

But then they had a job which Kirk and Sula had no jurisdiction over.

They were there to guard the prisoner. Kirk and sulu were potential threats to that job.

xvicente June 25 2013 08:49 PM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8298757)
Does anyone else find it funny that the guards are ordering around Kirk and Sulu as though they're nothing? Kirk was a flag officer, and Sulu was only a few steps away from a command of his own at this point in time. Those guys must have been suffering from some sort of complex.

--Sran

Now that you mention it. At that point in time Kirk and company beside being high ranking officers, had done nothing but save Earth time and again. The guys should be celebrities.

The two assholes deserved the beating Kirk and Sulu gave them.

The Terran government seems to be very totalitarian. Look how they locked McCoy --a frail old man on meds!-- just for saying a word out loud.

And the Mirror Universe though they had it bad.

Crazyewok June 25 2013 08:55 PM

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xvicente wrote: (Post 8298802)
just for saying a word out loud.

Well we all know how tetchy goverments can get over classified information *cough* *cough*

Sran June 25 2013 09:13 PM

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Crazyewok wrote: (Post 8298772)
But then they had a job which Kirk and Sula had no jurisdiction over.

They were there to guard the prisoner. Kirk and sulu were potential threats to that job.

How? Kirk and Sulu were Starfleet officers. The guards were also in Starfleet. Whatever their assignment may have been, they were still subject to the same chain of command that anyone else would be. If an admiral- a highly decorated admiral, no less- asks to visit his friend in a prison cell, there's no reason for a guard to give him attitude about it.

And how were Kirk and Sulu threats to the guards? They didn't take action until they were just about to take McCoy out of the detention area. Yet we have the first guard ordering Kirk around, and the second calls a superior officer a name because of a height difference.

--Sran

Crazyewok June 25 2013 09:31 PM

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Sran wrote: (Post 8298940)
Quote:

Crazyewok wrote: (Post 8298772)
But then they had a job which Kirk and Sula had no jurisdiction over.

They were there to guard the prisoner. Kirk and sulu were potential threats to that job.

How? Kirk and Sulu were Starfleet officers. The guards were also in Starfleet. Whatever their assignment may have been, they were still subject to the same chain of command that anyone else would be. If an admiral- a highly decorated admiral, no less- asks to visit his friend in a prison cell, there's no reason for a guard to give him attitude about it.

And how were Kirk and Sulu threats to the guards? They didn't take action until they were just about to take McCoy out of the detention area. Yet we have the first guard ordering Kirk around, and the second calls a superior officer a name because of a height difference.

--Sran


Well all I can say is that they knew they were McCoys freinds and they knew Kirks mavorick personality.

No doubt they may have been warned before hand to keep a eye out on them if they turned up.

Sran June 25 2013 09:36 PM

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Crazyewok wrote: (Post 8299054)
Well all I can say is that they knew they were McCoys freinds and they knew Kirks mavorick personality.

No doubt they may have been warned before hand to keep a eye out on them if they turned up.

I think that's a stretch. Kirk had no maverick personality until the events in question. It was only after TSFS that his reputation as a rule-breaker came to light. Before that, he'd been a respected member of Starfleet, albeit something of a dinosaur.

--Sran


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