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Mister Atoz June 21 2013 04:30 AM

a defining Spock moment
 
I don't know why, but one of Spock's most eminently quotable phrases is "Unknown, Captain." He only says it 9 times in the entire series, and no other character speaks those words...not Scotty, not Sulu.

"Then kindly tell me what happened to the stars!"

Eyebrow up.

"Unknown, Captain".

"Fascinating" of course, is Spock's most famous, if brief, aphorism.

~ Atoz

Metryq June 21 2013 12:27 PM

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Mister Atoz wrote: (Post 8278546)
one of Spock's most eminently quotable phrases is "Unknown, Captain."

It puts him ahead of "scientists" who are wedded to their biases and ignorance.

I worked with another video tech who would say the wackiest things to students and professors, instead of "I don't know, I can research that for you." One day he walked in while I was showing Turbo Incabulator to a co-worker. Pinhead stood there nodding his head, as though the techno-babble made sense to him. And here's the punchline: I heard pinhead using some of the nonsense terminology to a student later on. And he was absolutely serious.

I have great respect for someone who can say, "I don't know."

Kudos, Spock.

TREK_GOD_1 June 21 2013 03:44 PM

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Metryq wrote: (Post 8279347)
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Mister Atoz wrote: (Post 8278546)
one of Spock's most eminently quotable phrases is "Unknown, Captain."

It puts him ahead of "scientists" who are wedded to their biases and ignorance.

Interesting viewpoint.

Metryq June 21 2013 04:40 PM

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^ A follow-up to this is an exchange from "Arena":

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SPOCK: We're being held in place, Captain, apparently from that solar system.
KIRK: This far out? That's impossible.
SPOCK: We are being held.

trevanian June 21 2013 05:14 PM

Re: a defining Spock moment
 
Maybe somebody was keeping count of those 'unknowns' cuz Spock keeps saying it in TMP whenever Kirk asks him anything about VGER's weaponry.

Green Shirt June 21 2013 07:11 PM

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Or as Kirk said in The Immunity Syndrome,"Insufficient data is not sufficient, Mr. Spock. You're the science officer, you're supposed to have sufficient data all the time".

Captains want everything, and they want it now.

Mr_Homn June 22 2013 04:01 AM

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TREK_GOD_1 wrote: (Post 8279944)
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Metryq wrote: (Post 8279347)
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Mister Atoz wrote: (Post 8278546)
one of Spock's most eminently quotable phrases is "Unknown, Captain."

It puts him ahead of "scientists" who are wedded to their biases and ignorance.

Interesting viewpoint.

"Captain, the most elementary and valuable statement in science, the beginning of wisdom, is 'I do not know.'"
- Data (TNG Season 2: Where Silence has Lease)

TheSubCommander June 22 2013 04:06 AM

Re: a defining Spock moment
 
For me, definitely Journey to Babel, when his mother pleads to him to turn over command of the Enterprise and save his father, he refuses because its not the logical thing to do, then she slaps him and leaves. Then he puts his hand on the door.

Mr_Homn June 22 2013 06:42 AM

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Too many to list. Spock might be the most "defining" character of the entire franchise.

Mister Atoz June 22 2013 07:08 AM

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Good discussion, Trekkies. The essence of the words "Unknown, Captain"-- so simple, so elegant. It's the reason why God was invented. The words correspond very well with a quiet Universe full of distant stars.

As for the arrogance of scientists, I recommend "Knowledge or Certainty" from the Ascent of Man (book and TV series) by Jacob Bronowski.

"Science is a very human form of knowledge. We are always at the brink of the known; we always feel forward for what is to be hoped. Every judgment in science stands on the edge or error, and is personal. Science is a tribute to what we *can* know although we are fallible. In the end, the words were said by Oliver Cromwell: "I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ: Think it possible you may be mistaken."

http://ronrecord.com/Quotes/bronowski.html

~ Mister Atoz

publiusr June 22 2013 08:02 PM

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Teal'c took "Indeed" from him and made it his own.

BillJ June 23 2013 06:10 AM

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publiusr wrote: (Post 8284630)
Teal'c took "Indeed" from him and made it his own.

Teal'c isn't fit to wash Mr. Spock's jockstrap. :lol:

solariabsg25 June 23 2013 12:13 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8286877)
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publiusr wrote: (Post 8284630)
Teal'c took "Indeed" from him and made it his own.

Teal'c isn't fit to wash Mr. Spock's jockstrap. :lol:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a16...a9a05493kl.jpg

he certainly does the eyebrow!

Timo June 23 2013 06:02 PM

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Or as Kirk said in The Immunity Syndrome,"Insufficient data is not sufficient, Mr. Spock. You're the science officer, you're supposed to have sufficient data all the time".
Indeed. ;)

The useless "I don't know" should really have been replaced by "Here are my X best guesses, Captain, each accompanied by the specific bit of missing information that will make or break the hypotheses. You can choose which missing bit or bits to pursue, in which order", with the value of X depending on how much of a hurry the heroes really are in...

That'd give Kirk something to chew on, as well as insert extra scifi intrigue into the episode - say, three exotic scenarios at the price of one!

Timo Saloniemi

MarsWeeps June 23 2013 07:06 PM

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Timo wrote: (Post 8288320)
The useless "I don't know" should really have been replaced by "Here are my X best guesses, Captain

Vulcans never guess...except in ST IV.


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