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Bry_Sinclair June 19 2013 02:48 PM

Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
Don't get me wrong, one thing that I love about the Nu-Trek movies is their inclusion of some pretty cool looking alien species (many of which I use in my fanfics)--as they help add some much needed diversity to distinctly human-dominated scenes (I'd personally want to see more aliens, but that's beside the point).

But are we ever going to see some of original Trek species in the Nu-Trek films, such as: Andorians, Bolians, Caitians, Edosians, Tellarite, Tiburonians?

BillJ June 19 2013 02:52 PM

Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
If there's a story reason for them to be there, then I'm sure we will. For background filler? I'd rather see aliens I haven't seem before.

Kevman7987 June 19 2013 05:19 PM

Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
I hope we get some familiar races in the background. Besides, the familiar alien races are cheapest/easiest to make-up too.

-Andorian background crew people; Paint them blue, give them a white wig, and add some antennae.
-Vulcan background crew people; Give them a bowl cut, shave their eyebrows, and glue some fake ears to 'em.
-Tellarite background crew people. Glue a pig snout on their nose.

ManOnTheWave June 19 2013 05:57 PM

Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
Both the Gorn and the Salt Vampire were cut from the '09 film. The two girls in Kirk's apartment in STID were supposed to be Caitians. I'd love to see more classic aliens in these films.

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Bry_Sinclair June 19 2013 08:03 PM

Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
Caitian with a rather severe bikini wax maybe :lol:

The 09 Gorn looks pretty good, not sure about the need to include a salt vampire though.

M'Sharak June 19 2013 08:06 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8269405)

But are we ever going to see some of original Trek species in the Nu-Trek films, such as: Andorians, Bolians, Caitians, Edosians, Tellarite, Tiburonians?

Bolians, Caitians and Edosians were original Trek species? As I recall it, the second and third species were introduced in the animated series, and the first not until TNG.

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8270845)
The 09 Gorn looks pretty good, not sure about the need to include a salt vampire though.

Gorn: OK

Salt vampire: not proper Trek race, even though it was the focus of one of the earliest episodes

Got it.

iguana_tonante June 19 2013 08:52 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8269405)
But are we ever going to see some of original Trek species in the Nu-Trek films

We saw Vulcans. That's enough for me. ;)

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Kevman7987 wrote: (Post 8270155)
I hope we get some familiar races in the background. Besides, the familiar alien races are cheapest/easiest to make-up too.

-Andorian background crew people; Paint them blue, give them a white wig, and add some antennae.
-Vulcan background crew people; Give them a bowl cut, shave their eyebrows, and glue some fake ears to 'em.
-Tellarite background crew people. Glue a pig snout on their nose.

That's exactly why they shouldn't use them. What was acceptable in the 60s would look embarrassingly cheap today.

mos6507 June 19 2013 09:09 PM

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iguana_tonante wrote: (Post 8271043)
That's exactly why they shouldn't use them. What was acceptable in the 60s would look embarrassingly cheap today.

Then why did they include an orion which is nothing but green skin paint? Does it have to look like a million dollars to be a viable-looking race?

The answer is--because some Trek races are just iconic and it doesn't matter how ornate the makeup is. Orion chicks are fun to have around, and it would be nice to have andorians even if they are little more than blue skin-paint, a white wig, and antennae.

ManOnTheWave June 19 2013 09:22 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 8270845)
Caitian with a rather severe bikini wax maybe :lol:

I suppose they could be the Cornish Rex of their species.

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iguana_tonante wrote: (Post 8271043)
That's exactly why they shouldn't use them. What was acceptable in the 60s would look embarrassingly cheap today.

For both of these films, casting put out for people who already look unusual and gave them minor CG enhancements. For the last film, the girl with anime eyes was oft discussed, and this time out, they used Joseph Gatt to good effect by changing his voice and putting in one brief glimpse of an effect on the back of his head. A good background alien doesn't have to be an all CG fest or fifty pounds of sculpted latex. They have to look cool for a second.

M'Sharak June 19 2013 09:22 PM

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^ :techman:

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mos6507 wrote: (Post 8271139)

The answer is--because some Trek races are just iconic and it doesn't matter how ornate the makeup is. Orion chicks are fun to have around, and it would be nice to have andorians even if they are little more than blue skin-paint, a white wig, and antennae.

Why not simply say, then, that "These are Trek races I'd really like to see, because I enjoyed seeing them before"? Why diddle around with a "proper Trek races" appeal to legitimacy which holds no water?

"Because I want to see them" is all the reason one needs for saying one wants to see them.

Bry_Sinclair June 19 2013 11:10 PM

Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
Which is the reason I was asking, as I'd love to see some of them in the background. ENT did a good job updating the Andorians and Tellarite so they didn't look quite so awful, but there are loads of other Trek races glimpsed at (especially in the TOS films) who could do with modernising.

Granted, I could have posed the question as "previously seen races", but meh, 'proper' fit my mindset at the time I wrote it.

Hober Mallow June 19 2013 11:37 PM

Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
I just hope they keep Berman-Trek alien races out of the films henceforth.

The one problem with having really alien-looking aliens on Star Trek is that it makes Spock look much less alien and much more human by comparison, and takes away much of the mystique he had at the beginning of TOS when he was really alien. If that makes any sense.

I am not Spock June 20 2013 12:12 AM

Re: Will we ever see proper Trek races?
 
We saw Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, and Orions, out of the classic species. And tribbles, I suppose.

I wouldn't mind Andorians, Tellarites, Gorn, Edosians, Caitians, etc. Those things in STID were not Caitians IMO. Not enough body hair!

Andorians and Tellarites you'd expect to be there, being founder members of the UFP and all.

Belz... June 20 2013 12:29 AM

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I admit that I would like to see Andorians and Tellarites, specifically.

KittyDuran June 20 2013 01:14 AM

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Those things in STID were not Caitians IMO. Not enough body hair!
I think someone mentioned in another thread that the Caitians twins showed might have been half human/half Caitian...


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