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xvicente June 18 2013 03:49 AM

Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
I dont remember everyone who was shot, be it stunned or disintegrated.

(seems those are the only two settings effectively)

I remember Kruge's gunner and Terrel screaming, they seemed to be having horrible death even if the pain was short.

In TOS people simply vanished. The bum in 1930 (City at the Edge of Forever) probably never knew he was dying.

ANd stunned people? do they simply pass out?

Mr. Laser Beam June 18 2013 04:14 AM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
For the stun setting, it's probably instantaneous - the target has no time to feel pain.

For kill? Probably depends on who made the weapon. I'm sure Klingon disruptors hurt. And so does the VaronT disruptor - it's specifically made to cause as much pain as possible before killing the victim.

teacake June 18 2013 04:42 AM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
But even if you don't feel pain when stunned you feel like crap when you wake up it seems.

JirinPanthosa June 18 2013 04:50 AM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
Phasers on low settings have also been used to heat things up. I imagine it burns for a bit.

MacLeod June 18 2013 06:43 AM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
Well if you go by the TNG tech manual, I suspect settings 4 thu 6 will sting a little.

From memory in the 24th century

settings 1-3 are the stun settings fromm light to eavy
Settings 4-6 cause thermal damage.
Setting 7 effectively kills
Setting 8 is vaporise

Settings 9-16 are only availble on Type II and Type III rifles

By which time you are getting into melting metals, destroying rock, possible penetration of shields etc...

R. Star June 18 2013 01:42 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
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teacake wrote: (Post 8262331)
But even if you don't feel pain when stunned you feel like crap when you wake up it seems.

Cochrane complained about it when he woke up in First Contact. Though admitted it may be a hangover... though given he lifted off at 11 am and was drinking for the better part of the morning, it's safe to say he was drunk up there and not hung over. :p

Crazyewok June 18 2013 03:15 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
Im guessing haveing a burning hole shot into you hurts.

Pavonis June 18 2013 04:32 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
How often does a phaser leave a "burning hole" in the victim? And even if it left such a wound regularly, would it be painful? Wouldn't shock leave the victim feeling no pain?

Mysterion June 18 2013 04:39 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
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xvicente wrote: (Post 8262115)

ANd stunned people? do they simply pass out?

See Professor Crater in The Man Trap (TOS).

Crazyewok June 18 2013 04:59 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
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Pavonis wrote: (Post 8264182)
How often does a phaser leave a "burning hole" in the victim? And even if it left such a wound regularly, would it be painful? Wouldn't shock leave the victim feeling no pain?

Look at Remmick in Conspiracy. The phasers blew whole chunks out of him!

Not saying they would use that setting as standard. But a phaser certianly has the capability of causeing traumatic wounds.

Dale Sams June 18 2013 05:12 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
Depends on the script.

Remember getting stunned in the face at point blank range kills.

Which normally wouldn't make any sense, but maybe Valeris just poured it on.

Crazyewok June 18 2013 05:14 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
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Dale Sams wrote: (Post 8264401)
Depends on the script.

Remember getting stunned in the face at point blank range kills.

Which normally wouldn't make any sense, but maybe Valeris just poured it on.


Think it depends on the settings of stun.

Pavonis June 18 2013 05:16 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
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Crazyewok wrote: (Post 8264311)
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Pavonis wrote: (Post 8264182)
How often does a phaser leave a "burning hole" in the victim? And even if it left such a wound regularly, would it be painful? Wouldn't shock leave the victim feeling no pain?

Look at Remmick in Conspiracy. The phasers blew whole chunks out of him!.

Yes, it blew Remmick up, but did it hurt? Would there be time for the nerves to transmit pain signals before the nerves were destroyed? And Remmick in particular was probably dead, a meat puppet, what with that mother creature filling his abdomen.

MacLeod June 18 2013 06:33 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
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Crazyewok wrote: (Post 8264413)
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Dale Sams wrote: (Post 8264401)
Depends on the script.

Remember getting stunned in the face at point blank range kills.

Which normally wouldn't make any sense, but maybe Valeris just poured it on.


Think it depends on the settings of stun.

And how long the setting is applied. You could fire a less than a second of Heavy stun at point blank range and it would no doubt stun that person. Continue to fire the beam even at that setting and it can kill.

Timo June 18 2013 11:21 PM

Re: Does it hurt to be shot by phaser?
 
It would help if we knew the mechanism by which "stun" stuns and "vaporize" vaporizes. Is it the same thing? That is, does "stun" shake your atoms enough to upset your body chemistry, while "kill" shakes them till they fall apart? Or does "stun" deliver an electrostatic shock effect of some sort, while "vaporize" delivers nothing but causes the target atoms to phase to a different realm? Etc.

From the two-barrel guns of STXI and ST:ID, and the three-barrel guns of "The Cage", "Where No Man", "Man Trap" and "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", we might deduce that stun beams are generated by completely different machinery and thus possibly based on completely different phenomena from the kill ones. It is only later in TOS that guns are built that integrate the two barrels more closely (the ring and the spike), and in ST:TMP and onwards that the technology gets clever enough to only require one barrel (actually, in ST:TMP and ST2, there are four!).

Does stun hurt? If so, people suffer in silence and only groan afterwards, as the effect wears out (quickly in some cases such as "Man Trap", more slowly in others). But suffering in silence is a very plausible outcome when your body is being stunned - it simply becomes impossible to scream because your muscles fail you!

Does kill hurt? Devil's advocate might say that it doesn't - and when certain victims cry out, it's out of fear and rage rather than pain. Falling from a skyscraper doesn't hurt, either, but people still scream... :devil:

Timo Saloniemi


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