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Lt. Cheka Wey June 13 2013 01:49 PM

What if instead of the classic phrases
 
And other old Trek references which they felt obligated to do to keep the hardcore trekkies happy ( i watched almost all Trek episodes and read some books but i don't care for easter eggs in the new movie) they would had casted one of the old captains is a major role in Into Darknesss? I feel that the Tribble, Spock and thei am a doctor... kind of detract for the plot. I feel that way they could had made the hardcore fans more happy and the plot would be more straightforward and focused. Weller did a good job but Stewart or Books or Mulgre could had done just as well.

SantaSpock June 13 2013 02:39 PM

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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8241520)
And other old Trek references which they felt obligated to do to keep the hardcore trekkies happy ( i watched almost all Trek episodes and read some books but i don't care for easter eggs in the new movie) they would had casted one of the old captains is a major role in Into Darknesss? I feel that the Tribble, Spock and thei am a doctor... kind of detract for the plot. I feel that way they could had made the hardcore fans more happy and the plot would be more straightforward and focused. Weller did a good job but Stewart or Books or Mulgre could had done just as well.

What you mean by hardcore fans is 24th century fans, who basically get nothing...

You have Spiner in a cryotube, what more do you want? :lol:

Seriously though I can just imagine the outrage if Stewart or Mulgrew was to portray a baddie.
The role of an Admiral is too close to their TNG/VOY roles and would be confusing. I mean during the movie I'd be thinking is that the real Picard, is that his father, is he in disguise, has he travelled in time, is this the MU version of Picard? I'd lose track of the movie.

Actually I have no problem with any of the 24th century guys being in a movie provided there is no confusion over their role

newtontomato539 June 13 2013 05:19 PM

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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8241520)
And other old Trek references which they felt obligated to do to keep the hardcore trekkies happy ( i watched almost all Trek episodes and read some books but i don't care for easter eggs in the new movie) they would had casted one of the old captains is a major role in Into Darknesss? I feel that the Tribble, Spock and thei am a doctor... kind of detract for the plot. I feel that way they could had made the hardcore fans more happy and the plot would be more straightforward and focused. Weller did a good job but Stewart or Books or Mulgre could had done just as well.

1. Why are the Tribble, Spock and thei am doctor. . . detracting to the plot?

2. If the easter eggs are bad, why wouldn't having Stewart or Brooks or Mulgrew been bad?

3. If having Stewart or Brooks or Mulgrew is good, why is having the easter eggs bad?

:confused:

SonicRanger June 13 2013 05:30 PM

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[Dennis] No. [/Dennis]

Lt. Cheka Wey June 13 2013 05:57 PM

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1. Why are the Tribble, Spock and thei am doctor. . . detracting to the plot?
Thez feel like they were shoehorned in, even if tribble produces a deus ex machina.

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2. If the easter eggs are bad, why wouldn't having Stewart or Brooks or Mulgrew been bad?
In that case it would not hurt the tightness of the plot.

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3. If having Stewart or Brooks or Mulgrew is good, why is having the easter eggs bad?
It etracts from the plot theway they did it.

JohnChod June 13 2013 06:05 PM

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Spock Prime is behind the new timeline (or whatever you prefer to call it). So, him being there is not 'jarring' other than his movement to the past being 'jarring' to the timeline.

As it is the same general universe, why would the presence of a tribble be a problem? McCoy's personality, and therefore manners of speech, would likely be similar as well.

If anything, seeing Stewart, Brooks or Mulgrew as a different character would have a far greater effect of taking you 'out of the movie' than the things you cited. Seeing Mulgrew in character in Nemesis was bad enough!

Mr. Adventure June 26 2013 04:04 PM

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Only if it's Mulgrew with an eyepatch.

Belz... June 26 2013 06:23 PM

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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8241520)
And other old Trek references which they felt obligated to do to keep the hardcore trekkies happy ( i watched almost all Trek episodes and read some books but i don't care for easter eggs in the new movie) they would had casted one of the old captains is a major role in Into Darknesss? I feel that the Tribble, Spock and thei am a doctor... kind of detract for the plot. I feel that way they could had made the hardcore fans more happy and the plot would be more straightforward and focused. Weller did a good job but Stewart or Books or Mulgre could had done just as well.

I have no idea what you're saying. Could you expand on that ?

RoJoHen June 26 2013 06:28 PM

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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8242366)

It etracts from the plot theway they did it.

It really doesn't.

I loved the easter eggs.

Jack Frost June 26 2013 07:04 PM

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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8241520)
And other old Trek references which they felt obligated to do to keep the hardcore trekkies happy ( i watched almost all Trek episodes and read some books but i don't care for easter eggs in the new movie) they would had casted one of the old captains is a major role in Into Darknesss? I feel that the Tribble, Spock and thei am a doctor... kind of detract for the plot. I feel that way they could had made the hardcore fans more happy and the plot would be more straightforward and focused. Weller did a good job but Stewart or Books or Mulgre could had done just as well.

As an OS fan I would have been disappointed if they had not included some homages. It is, after all, a revisiting of those characters. These are the characterizations of them I found lacking in the OS film era. The reviving of these characters in this way literally is a dream come true.

All that said, I would not be opposed to prime universe actors being given alternate character roles in nuverse stories, so long as they don't become a hugh drain on the budget. I am accepting new actors in classic roles so accepting classic actors in nu roles shouldn't be a problem.

Lt. Cheka Wey June 27 2013 02:08 PM

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JohnChod wrote: (Post 8242399)
Spock Prime is behind the new timeline (or whatever you prefer to call it). So, him being there is not 'jarring' other than his movement to the past being 'jarring' to the timeline.

As it is the same general universe, why would the presence of a tribble be a problem? McCoy's personality, and therefore manners of speech, would likely be similar as well.

If anything, seeing Stewart, Brooks or Mulgrew as a different character would have a far greater effect of taking you 'out of the movie' than the things you cited. Seeing Mulgrew in character in Nemesis was bad enough!

The Tribble was not the problem there were just to many homages.
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RoJoHen wrote: (Post 8302678)
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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8242366)

It detracts from the plot theway they did it.

It really doesn't.

I loved the easter eggs.

Yeah but you are not the average moviegoer when it comes to Trek.

Belz... June 27 2013 02:35 PM

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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8306668)
The Tribble was not the problem there were just to many homages.

1) How do you define "too many" ?
2) The average moviegoer didn't notice them, so it doesn't hurt the movie.

Mr. Adventure June 27 2013 06:52 PM

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Lt. Cheka Wey wrote: (Post 8306668)
Yeah but you are not the average moviegoer when it comes to Trek.

I'm not sure the average moviegoer would even notice them.

CorporalClegg June 27 2013 07:05 PM

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Please explain to me why "I'm a doctor..." is an Easter egg. It's a key component of the character! Leaving it out would be like omitting the Vulcan salute.

Lt. Cheka Wey June 27 2013 07:20 PM

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It is, it's a movie and it's pretty clear he is a doctor and he will stay that. It's not a key component, it's just a ctatchphrase.


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