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Keith1701 June 9 2013 05:21 PM

Trek II ~ Khan's Wife
 
Does anyone know why they did not bring Khan's wife into the movies? Also, does anyone know weather or not they even thought about it?

JarodRussell June 9 2013 05:21 PM

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Keith1701 wrote: (Post 8222956)
Does anyone know why they did not bring Khan's wife into the movies? Also, does anyone know weather or not they even thought about it?

Where would Khan's vengeance be when his wife was still alive?

Harvey June 9 2013 05:30 PM

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Memory Alpha says that Harve Bennett wanted her to appear in the movie, but when he discovered actress Madlyn Rhue was confined to a wheelchair due to multiple sclerosis, discarded the idea.

CorporalClegg June 9 2013 05:36 PM

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The wife should have been shown in the film in some capacity. It's hard to take a villain too seriously when his motives are complete hearsay. The issue was only addressed by one throw-away line that dismissed the issue and shooed it off screen in hopes no one would notice.

There needs to be some kind of "proof" for the audience. Other wise, for all we know Khan is pissed because Kirk broke the head off his Darth Vader doll. For example, that's the whole point of the mind meld scene in ST09. It pulls the story together. It's not much, but it's better than nothing.

Essentially, TWOK took the ghost out of Hamlet.

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Harvey wrote: (Post 8222983)
Memory Alpha says that Harve Bennett wanted her to appear in the movie, but when he discovered actress Madlyn Rhue was confined to a wheelchair due to multiple sclerosis, discarded the idea.

They could've used someone else. No one would notice.

Rķu rķu, chķu June 9 2013 05:58 PM

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^ It could be that Bennett decided not to recast the part of McGivers simply out of respect for Madlyn Rhue's health issues. And I'm OK with that.

My problem is this: Given how Khan basically slapped McGivers around in "Space Seed", I'm wondering how he ever could have considered her "beloved"... then again he could have been bullshitting Kirk when he said that.

Peach Wookiee June 9 2013 06:45 PM

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Abusive relationship. And Marla fell for it.

JoeZhang June 9 2013 07:06 PM

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He was stuck on a planet that was a living hell - and the way montalban does not chew scenery but starts neatly at each corner of the set in every scene and swallows it whole, co-stars and all sell that idea*.


* with apologies to Variety

billcosby June 9 2013 08:11 PM

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KHAN: "I'm better."
KIRK: "At what?"
KHAN: "Having a wife. Sharing domestic chores."
[Franchise fatigue kicks in, no more Trek until 2030]

Olive, the Other Reindeer June 9 2013 08:25 PM

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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: (Post 8223088)

My problem is this: Given how Khan basically slapped McGivers around in "Space Seed", I'm wondering how he ever could have considered her "beloved"... then again he could have been bullshitting Kirk when he said that.

At first Khan merely used Marla as a tool to gain control of the Enterprise. But at the end of "Space Seed," he said he considered her a "superior woman." He certainly could have developed genuine feelings for her.

As for Khan slapping Marla around or physically abusing her -- what scene was that?

Chrono85 June 9 2013 11:46 PM

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I always imagined that she was killed off because it provided extra motivation for Khan to want revenge. As for whether he really cared abut here or not; at first, he only used to as a means to an end to achieve his goals, but maybe actual feelings developed later. it would have been more impactful if they had maybe shown her grave or something :).

JarodRussell June 9 2013 11:53 PM

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Right now I'm wondering why Khan didn't simply revive his wife using his blood. But then again TWOK is filled with so many plot holes...

Santa Kang June 10 2013 12:16 AM

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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 8224471)
Right now I'm wondering why Khan didn't simply revive his wife using his blood. But then again TWOK is filled with so many plot holes...

Hard to say. All we know is her death was caused by a ceti eel.

Galileo7 June 10 2013 12:18 AM

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CorporalClegg wrote: (Post 8223010)
The wife should have been shown in the film in some capacity. It's hard to take a villain too seriously when his motives are complete hearsay. The issue was only addressed by one throw-away line that dismissed the issue and shooed it off screen in hopes no one would notice.

There needs to be some kind of "proof" for the audience. Other wise, for all we know Khan is pissed because Kirk broke the head off his Darth Vader doll. For example, that's the whole point of the mind meld scene in ST09. It pulls the story together. It's not much, but it's better than nothing.

Essentially, TWOK took the ghost out of Hamlet.

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Harvey wrote: (Post 8222983)
Memory Alpha says that Harve Bennett wanted her to appear in the movie, but when he discovered actress Madlyn Rhue was confined to a wheelchair due to multiple sclerosis, discarded the idea.

They could've used someone else. No one would notice.

Agree. She should have been in WOK.

Sran June 10 2013 01:05 AM

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scotpens wrote: (Post 8223610)
At first Khan merely used Marla as a tool to gain control of the Enterprise. But at the end of "Space Seed," he said he considered her a "superior woman." He certainly could have developed genuine feelings for her.

As for Khan slapping Marla around or physically abusing her -- what scene was that?

I agree. Khan's genetic enhancements resulted in his uncontrollable ambition and thirst for power, but there's no evidence that they prevented him from showing compassion to another being or from falling in love with another person. He seemed genuinely impressed by her courage in agreeing to stay with him on Ceti Alpha V. It's not difficult to believe that he learned to love her during the intervening years.

--Sran

Therin of Andor June 10 2013 01:49 AM

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CorporalClegg wrote: (Post 8223010)
They could've used someone else. No one would notice.

Like they didn't notice Khan's multiracial colleagues turning young, blond and Aryan? Dark-haired offsider Joaquin for blond Joachim?

Or like no one noticed the switch in Saaviks (ST III) and Cochranes ("First Contact")?

:rommie:


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