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bbjeg June 6 2013 09:46 PM

Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
Are there any? Why does it feel like only the federation thought of that Idea. Romulans and Cardassians would make a good union. At a flip of a coin they may join your side or back stab you.

R. Star June 6 2013 09:52 PM

Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
Eh, given both the Cardassians and Romulans were highly xenophobic, I'd say a union is out of the line. Precisely for the same reason they're so similar at times, they're treacherous and expect treachery as the norm. So trust is out of the question. At best you're going to get collaborations like Tain and the Tal Shiar's incursion.

But if you're looking for a planetary union of multiple races... well the Dominion was pretty much designed on the thesis of being the "anti-Federation." Though instead of uniting together in peace and cooperation, it's politics out the barrel of a gun.

Shawnster June 6 2013 11:36 PM

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Romulan Star Empire implies, to me, a stellar union. So does Cardassian Union. Maybe Morn's people are part of the Union. For that matter, the Klingon Empire probably spans several star systems and encompasses various species (we just don't see). I don't recaell evidence the Romilans or Cardassians were Xenophobic, just Orwellian and oppressive.

The Dominion obviously held dominion over multiple stars and species.

One would think the First Federation covered multiple peoples, but we saw how overblown and tending to exaggerate Balok turned out to be.

The Borg were multi-species and vast.

The Son'a had two subjugated species.

SchwEnt June 7 2013 12:26 AM

Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
TOS had a few multi-planet (single system?) unions.

Eminiar and Vendikar (before/after the war).
Ekos and Zeon.
Troyius and Elas in the Tellun system.

I'd think there'd be more planetary unions consisting of half a dozen worlds or so. Seems everything in ST is either a one world civilization or a vast empire/federation.

Mr. Laser Beam June 7 2013 01:28 AM

Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
The First Federation (Balok) and the Nyberrite Alliance (Tekeny Ghemor once mentioned them - he said they were always eager to hire experienced officers for their fleet) tend to spring to mind.

R. Star June 7 2013 02:38 AM

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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: (Post 8213482)
The First Federation (Balok) and the Nyberrite Alliance (Tekeny Ghemor once mentioned them - he said they were always eager to hire experienced officers for their fleet) tend to spring to mind.

It was Worf who mentioned the Nyberite Alliance actually in Way of the Warrior. He was going to hire on to one of their ships when he quit Starfleet. They were a group I was hoping we'd hear more about.

Infern0 June 7 2013 01:36 PM

Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
in the novels you currently have the typhon pact, made up of I belive Romulans, Gorn, Breen, Tholians and Tellerites

Anwar June 7 2013 03:16 PM

Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
In TOS the Klingon Empire was originally conceived as a multi-species Empire as well, with "Klingon" being a political name instead of the name for their species but the writers figured it might confuse the audience to see a bunch of aliens all called "Klingons" so they just made them a single Empire.

Nerys Myk June 7 2013 04:12 PM

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Anwar wrote: (Post 8215648)
In TOS the Klingon Empire was originally conceived as a multi-species Empire as well, with "Klingon" being a political name instead of the name for their species but the writers figured it might confuse the audience to see a bunch of aliens all called "Klingons" so they just made them a single Empire.

Source?

Anwar June 7 2013 04:49 PM

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Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 8215786)
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Anwar wrote: (Post 8215648)
In TOS the Klingon Empire was originally conceived as a multi-species Empire as well, with "Klingon" being a political name instead of the name for their species but the writers figured it might confuse the audience to see a bunch of aliens all called "Klingons" so they just made them a single Empire.

Source?

Some issue of the Trek magazine, IIRC. But I don't have it. I might be wrong.

T'Girl June 7 2013 06:24 PM

Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
In Errand of Mercy, Kirk said (iirc) that the Klingon Empire engaged in conquest, this would imply that the Empire was composed of not just Klingons, but also other non-Klingon alien races.

Or maybe I'm thinking of FASA?

:)

Third Nacelle June 7 2013 06:32 PM

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^Yes, but an Empire isn't really a union of species. It's one species subjugating others.

bbjeg June 7 2013 09:55 PM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 8213815)
It was Worf who mentioned the Nyberite Alliance

They should have expanded on them. Not really as aggressors but just as another party.

Mr. Laser Beam June 7 2013 10:31 PM

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Infern0 wrote: (Post 8215411)
in the novels you currently have the typhon pact, made up of I belive Romulans, Gorn, Breen, Tholians and Tellerites

Not Tellarites.

The TP members you didn't mention were the Tzenkethi and the Kinshaya.

bbjeg June 7 2013 10:40 PM

Re: Other planetary unions other than the Federation
 
When I heard Tzenkethi raiders the first time I thought specifically of Genghis Khan's army for some reason.


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