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Lance June 5 2013 06:12 AM

Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
A comment on another thread inspired this. ;)

A lot of the Star Trek movies have got plot holes. But which one do you think has got it the worst? And which one do you think manages to sail through with the least plot holes?

For the most plot holes I think Generations. The nexus ribbon is just one big headache that tears holes right through that script like it's been written on tin foil. Nemesis is a close second thanks to Shinzon's rapid mood swings from one motivation to another.

And which one has the least plot holes? I don't know. Maybe The Motion Picture or The Voyage Home are the most 'straight-forward' of all the movie plots, so neither of them really stretch credibility. Maybe TMP just edges it.

But what do you guys think? :)

Belz... June 5 2013 10:26 AM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
I'd think TMP has very few plot holes if any.

The most ? First Contact doesn't make sense at all, so I'd say that one wins it.

RXTT June 5 2013 05:05 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
J.J. "plot-holes" Abrams

BillJ June 5 2013 05:09 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
The Motion Picture, its a pretty straight-forward story.

The rest of them all have massive plot-holes. The only Trek film I actively dislike is Insurrection and it has nothing to do with plot-holes.

Dukhat June 5 2013 06:02 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
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RXTT wrote: (Post 8206084)
J.J. "plot-holes" Abrams

This topic is about Trek movies I-X, not the Abrams films.

RXTT June 5 2013 09:09 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
I stand corrected. For me the most plot-holes are in the final TNG movie.

TheMurph June 5 2013 09:59 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
The least I would say would be TMP, for the most, I would say a toss up between Nemesis and TFF.

Of course I can overlook the ones in TFF more than in Nemesis. :lol:

F. King Daniel June 5 2013 10:08 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
TMP has a HUGE plot hole. A near-god-like living machine, which can digitize entire worlds and star systems and created a near-perfect android duplicate of Illia, never thought to wipe the muck off it's name plate?

Wrath of Khan's entire "two dimensional thinking" thing made zero sense, especially if Khan is the genius he's repeatedly said to be. There are also problems with Ceti Alpha VI somehow blowing up, the Reliant somehow not noticing such a massive change in the solar system (did nobody count the planets?). And why didn't Khan just beam Kirk up for torture and execution when he took the entirely magical Genesis device? Which somehow despite being designed to convert the surface of a barren world into a living planet, managed to build an entire world (and star!) out of a nebula?

Search For Spock is pure Vulcan hocus pocus, with not an ounce of realism or science fiction. Spock's ageing just happening to sync up with them arriving and leaving... uh huh. Also, Excelsior spluttering to a halt totally ignoring the laws of physics.

Bored now. But there are more. Lots more. And people like to pretend JJ Abrams' Treks invented plot holes. LOL!

(and I love the old movies too!)

Belz... June 5 2013 10:49 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: (Post 8207503)
TMP has a HUGE plot hole. A near-god-like living machine, which can digitize entire worlds and star systems and created a near-perfect android duplicate of Illia, never thought to wipe the muck off it's name plate?

Why would it ?

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Wrath of Khan's entire "two dimensional thinking" thing made zero sense, especially if Khan is the genius he's repeatedly said to be.
Intelligence doesn't give you extra knowledge out of nothing, though.

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And why didn't Khan just beam Kirk up for torture and execution when he took the entirely magical Genesis device?
He didn't have coordinates, and couldn't see through the rock. When they beamed down from Regula I, they didn't see where the coordinates were leading.

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Which somehow despite being designed to convert the surface of a barren world into a living planet, managed to build an entire world (and star!) out of a nebula?
Genesis Magic aside, the star was already there.

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Also, Excelsior spluttering to a halt totally ignoring the laws of physics.
I... never noticed that. :rommie:

Tosk June 5 2013 10:59 PM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
So far, the only specifics brought up are just gripes about storytelling choices rather than actual plot holes. I'd have to see a list of real plot holes before deciding. :)

SeerSGB June 6 2013 12:35 AM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
Least: TMP. Like others said, it's a very Point A to Point B story.

Most is a tie between: TFF and FC.
-- TFF relies on Sybok getting a ship he can take over. And given that both the Klingons and Romulans would probably just kill him on sight, that leaves the Federation. And then it has to be a Feddie ship he can take over. Had it been a fully crewed and armed ship (say Excelsior for example), he'd been properly fucked over. Plus Kirk acts like an idiot: Why risk a ground engagement? Ship's phasers to stun (unless the refit did away with that option), stun the city, extract hostages, lock the rest in the brig.

-- FC relies on Data being so hot for the Borg Queen And jonesing to be human that he wastes the whole movie waiting for Picard to show up and have his Die Hard moment before trashing the coolant tanks--which just happen to be completely out in the open and as brittle as glass.

Yeoman Basha June 6 2013 12:37 AM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
I agree with the sentiment of TMP having the fewest plot holes. It makes perfect sense to me that VGer would never want to wipe the old name off. It wanted to know more about its own origins.

Most plot holes would go to Nemesis, because to me, Shinzon was one giant walking plot hole. I never bought for one moment that he was Picard's clone, nor did I ever believe that the Romulans would just roll over and agree to make this human/Reman Praetor after a terrorist attack.

All the films have plot holes but one of my pet peeves has to do with Wrath of Khan. Ar the end of Space Seed, we see that Khan was marooned with his crew -- who are all ADULTS approximately Khan's own age. In WOK, which takes place 15 years later, Khan is surrounded entirely by 20-somethings, with not one adult in sight. So ALL of the adults died, except for Khan? And I guess before they died the Augments had a lot of babies in the first couple of years and Augment children just grow up really really fast?

I know they wanted to set Khan up as a mirror of Kirk, who was surrounded by a young crew, but this was just stupid. And the Ceti Alpha 5/6 confusion was stupid, too. Seriously, they don't bother to count the planets?

Belz... June 6 2013 02:07 AM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
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SeerSGB wrote: (Post 8208094)
-- TFF relies on Sybok getting a ship he can take over. And given that both the Klingons and Romulans would probably just kill him on sight, that leaves the Federation.

I still have a tough time believing the Romulans wouldn't send a ship there. Klingons, sure, they don't care. But the skeleton crew 1701-A is the only ship sent ? Why is that planet even important, then ?

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Ship's phasers to stun (unless the refit did away with that option), stun the city, extract hostages, lock the rest in the brig.
I forgot they had that. Which episode was that in ?

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-- FC relies on Data being so hot for the Borg Queen And jonesing to be human that he wastes the whole movie waiting for Picard to show up and have his Die Hard moment before trashing the coolant tanks--which just happen to be completely out in the opinion as brittle as glass.
I watched FC again the other day and I'm having more and more trouble getting into it. The whole idea that the Borg would wait at the very end of a pussy battle with the Federation to go back in time at a point where they would have a very small window of opportunity to screw over the Federation and assimilate Earth, rather than go back in time in their own space or outside Federation space and assimilate Earth at a time way before it had any means to defend itself, is ludicrous. At least The Final Frontier is unintentionally fun.

CorporalClegg June 6 2013 02:41 AM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
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Belz... wrote: (Post 8207653)
Intelligence doesn't give you extra knowledge out of nothing, though.

Except "space" is literally defined as three-dimensional.

Belz... June 6 2013 02:52 AM

Re: Which Star Trek movie has got the most plot holes? And the least?
 
Tell that to Khan.


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