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Praetor Baldric June 5 2013 04:21 AM

Could Someone Please Explain Catspaw
 
OK, seriously, I am a pretty smart guy. I can even understand what Alternative Factor was supposed to be about. But, Catspaw, I never got! Who are Korob and Sylvia, what is their deal with capturing and terrorizing Kirk and company? A giant cat? Seriously, I can usually find something cool in every TOS episode (even when it is poorly written or directed), but this one just eludes me. Help me find something positive about Catspaw please.

BillJ June 5 2013 06:13 AM

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I think this one falls in the 'guilty pleasure' category. I do love the Enterprise necklace.

Crazy Eddie June 5 2013 06:23 AM

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Big Daddy wrote: (Post 8204209)
OK, seriously, I am a pretty smart guy. I can even understand what Alternative Factor was supposed to be about. But, Catspaw, I never got! Who are Korob and Sylvia, what is their deal with capturing and terrorizing Kirk and company? A giant cat? Seriously, I can usually find something cool in every TOS episode (even when it is poorly written or directed), but this one just eludes me. Help me find something positive about Catspaw please.

It's a Halloween special.

That is all.

Greg Cox June 5 2013 03:18 PM

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Crazy Eddie wrote: (Post 8204587)
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Big Daddy wrote: (Post 8204209)
OK, seriously, I am a pretty smart guy. I can even understand what Alternative Factor was supposed to be about. But, Catspaw, I never got! Who are Korob and Sylvia, what is their deal with capturing and terrorizing Kirk and company? A giant cat? Seriously, I can usually find something cool in every TOS episode (even when it is poorly written or directed), but this one just eludes me. Help me find something positive about Catspaw please.

It's a Halloween special.

That is all.

Bingo. It originally aired on October 27 and was clearly intended as a fun Halloween romp--written by the author of PSYCHO, no less.

Rewatching it in, say, July as just another Trek episode is like watching "A Charlie Brown Christmas" and wondering what all the holiday carols and Christmas trees are about.

Just think of it as "A Very Trekkie Halloween" and it can be good, spooky fun! (I admit that I loved the episode as a kid and always looked forward to it.)

CorporalCaptain June 5 2013 03:29 PM

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Trek or treat!

Christopher June 5 2013 04:06 PM

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Greg Cox wrote: (Post 8205769)
Bingo. It originally aired on October 27 and was clearly intended as a fun Halloween romp--written by the author of PSYCHO, no less.

Right. Robert Bloch was known as a horror/fantasy writer, and "Catspaw" is very loosely inspired by a prose story Bloch wrote called "Broomstick Ride," which is summarized here.

It's worth remembering that part of Roddenberry's original pitch for the series was that it would feature parallel worlds that resembled cultures from Earth history, thus enabling the production to save money by reusing existing props, costumes, set pieces, and stock footage from historical shows/films rather than having to spend money creating entirely alien settings every week. So a lot of episodes started with the idea to replicate some Earthly culture or setting, and then a justification was made up for it. Let's do a space gangster episode so we can use stuff from The Untouchables! The excuse? Oh, let's say they're very imitative and some old ship left them a book about gangsters. Let's do an episode about Indians in space! The excuse? Let's say they were transplanted by some mysterious ancient race we'll never mention again. Let's do space Nazis! The excuse? Let's say an Earth historian altered their culture. Although Roddenberry himself was content to treat parallel cultural evolution as a spontaneous happenstance in his own scripts, as in "Bread and Circuses" and "The Omega Glory."

So the idea behind "Catspaw" was to do a Halloween episode that would let them use a castle set and medieval sorcery trappings and whatnot, and the excuse they came up with was an alien expedition studying humanity by accessing the racial subconscious and its primal fears.

SchwEnt June 5 2013 04:12 PM

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That's right, Trek or Treat. But if you need serious...

Sylvia and Korob were so alien that humanoid mind and humanoid life were totally foreign to them. To understand and/or control, they attempted to probe the conscious minds of crew and instead reached the unconscious mind, where they were unable to determine what is human reality and what is human imagination.

They probed the basic primal unconscious human mind, elemental fear, which they manifest in symbols of horror and terror (skeletons, torture, ghosts, etc.)

Like most ST, it's not really a bad idea, maybe just failing in execution. And it's been seen many times in ST... aliens who seek to understand mankind and latch on to one aspect by which to judge us (and make an eps)

Irishman June 6 2013 12:25 AM

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Big Daddy wrote: (Post 8204209)
OK, seriously, I am a pretty smart guy. I can even understand what Alternative Factor was supposed to be about. But, Catspaw, I never got! Who are Korob and Sylvia, what is their deal with capturing and terrorizing Kirk and company? A giant cat? Seriously, I can usually find something cool in every TOS episode (even when it is poorly written or directed), but this one just eludes me. Help me find something positive about Catspaw please.

It had the unfortunate designation of being the "Halloween" episode of Star Trek that year. That gave the powers the be the excuse to be campy for camp's sake.

And they did. The result? Pipe cleaner and crab pincher marionette aliens! Ta da!

Nerys Myk June 6 2013 02:42 AM

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Irishman wrote: (Post 8208073)
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Big Daddy wrote: (Post 8204209)
OK, seriously, I am a pretty smart guy. I can even understand what Alternative Factor was supposed to be about. But, Catspaw, I never got! Who are Korob and Sylvia, what is their deal with capturing and terrorizing Kirk and company? A giant cat? Seriously, I can usually find something cool in every TOS episode (even when it is poorly written or directed), but this one just eludes me. Help me find something positive about Catspaw please.

It had the unfortunate designation of being the "Halloween" episode of Star Trek that year. That gave the powers the be the excuse to be campy for camp's sake.

And they did. The result? Pipe cleaner and crab pincher marionette aliens! Ta da!

I doubt the desire to be camp was behind the the pipe cleaner aliens.

Irishman June 6 2013 02:59 AM

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Nerys Myk wrote: (Post 8208757)
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Irishman wrote: (Post 8208073)
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Big Daddy wrote: (Post 8204209)
OK, seriously, I am a pretty smart guy. I can even understand what Alternative Factor was supposed to be about. But, Catspaw, I never got! Who are Korob and Sylvia, what is their deal with capturing and terrorizing Kirk and company? A giant cat? Seriously, I can usually find something cool in every TOS episode (even when it is poorly written or directed), but this one just eludes me. Help me find something positive about Catspaw please.

It had the unfortunate designation of being the "Halloween" episode of Star Trek that year. That gave the powers the be the excuse to be campy for camp's sake.

And they did. The result? Pipe cleaner and crab pincher marionette aliens! Ta da!

I doubt the desire to be camp was behind the the pipe cleaner aliens.

Campy and cheapy. :)

Dale Sams June 6 2013 03:50 AM

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1) The stunt of the guy falling off the transporter pad

2) The sheer alienness of Sylvia and Korob, including the aliens at the end, which I thought were cool.

3) "Bones"

Gov Kodos June 6 2013 06:03 AM

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Great fun, and aliens who turn out to be really alien.

scotpens June 6 2013 01:27 PM

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Greg Cox wrote: (Post 8205769)
. . . Just think of it as "A Very Trekkie Halloween" and it can be good, spooky fun! (I admit that I loved the episode as a kid and always looked forward to it.)

I hated that episode when it first aired. I saw Star Trek as "serious" science fiction (compared to, say, Lost in Space) and thought the show ought to be above a cheap gimmick like doing a Halloween-themed episode.

Of course, that was before the Gangster Planet, the Nazi Planet, the Roman Empire Planet, and the American Flag and Constitution Planet . . . :wtf:

Praetor Baldric June 6 2013 04:29 PM

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Dale Sams wrote: (Post 8209045)
1) The stunt of the guy falling off the transporter pad

2) The sheer alienness of Sylvia and Korob, including the aliens at the end, which I thought were cool.

3) "Bones"

Those are great moments. Another is the dialogue between Kirk and Spock after they encounter the witches:

KIRK: Spock. Comment?
SPOCK: Very bad poetry, Captain.
KIRK: [rolls eyes] A more useful comment, Mister Spock.

BennieGamali June 6 2013 04:46 PM

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I love this episode. The reason I love it is the line that went something like "Are you ok Bones..*skeleton* eeh McCoy"


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