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Flake May 30 2013 06:39 PM

Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

[KIRK] Congratulations Spock, you just saved the world.

[SPOCK] You violated the Prime Directive !

[KIRK] Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal.
When this line was uttered I had flashbacks of various Prime Directive episodes and speeches for a split second! Particularly Picard speeches. I know the Prime Directive was broken a lot but it was not simply brushed aside so nonchalantly as Kirk does here in this exchange. I was quite shocked by this line from Kirk.

Now I understand why he did it and I understand that Spock probably talked him into the whole mission (instead of doing it Kirks way were the Enterprise probably zooms in from orbit above the volcano in full view) and I am glad he saves Spock for obvious reasons but instead of 'It sucks, Big deal' he could at least acts like he is concerned that he has broken the prime directive and dreads the consequences.

EDIT: I have heard it wrong, Kirk doesn't say this apparently. *facepalm*

DaleC76 May 30 2013 06:44 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
He said, "They saw us - big deal!"

:rommie:

Hartzilla2007 May 30 2013 06:48 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
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Flake wrote: (Post 8176891)
Quote:

[KIRK] Congratulations Spock, you just saved the world.

[SPOCK] You violated the Prime Directive !

[KIRK] Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal.
When this line was uttered I had flashbacks of various Prime Directive episodes and speeches for a split second! Particularly Picard speeches. I know the Prime Directive was broken a lot but it was not simply brushed aside so nonchalantly as Kirk does here in this exchange. I was quite shocked by this line from Kirk.

Bullshit, when Spock was concerned about breaking the Prime Directive in the Apple Kirk brushed him off by saying Spock looked like Satan after spending the whole episode brushing off Spock's concerns about them meddling.

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Now I understand why he did it and I understand that Spock probably talked him into the whole mission (instead of doing it Kirks way were the Enterprise probably zooms in from orbit above the volcano in full view) and I am glad he saves Spock for obvious reasons but instead of 'It sucks, Big deal' he could at least acts like he is concerned that he has broken the prime directive and dreads the consequences.
When the hell was Kirk ever concerned about violating the Prime Directive to save the Enterprise and overthrow the evil computer god?

In fact the only times he ever really cares about it is when the bad guys are doing it to either mold the pre-warp civilization to their liking or to get rich after killing a shit load of natives to suck up to another group.

The Wormhole May 30 2013 06:51 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
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Hartzilla2007 wrote: (Post 8176930)
In fact the only times he ever really cares about it is when the bad guys are doing it to either mold the pre-warp civilization to their liking or to get rich after killing a shit load of natives to suck up to another group.

Or if another Starfleet captain has violated the Prime Directive. Then it's wrong. Consistent in both timelines (Captain Tracey in The Omega Glory, Captain April in the comics).

Spock/Uhura Fan May 30 2013 07:03 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
Spocks objection (much like his relationship *issues* with Uhura) didn't make sense in this film. The whole mission was against the Prime Directive.

The other issue that I have is since they said anyone can watch this film and understand it without any Trek knowledge, did they even cover what the Prime Directive is in this film? Did I miss that?

JarodRussell May 30 2013 07:08 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
In this film, Kirk "earns" the 5-year-mission by hiding the ship under water for no reason and against Scotty's opinion, violating the Prime Directive, making several wrong decisions his crew has to talk him out of, getting his own ship shot to pieces, teaming up with the bad guy and failing to control him, and eventually killing thousands of people in San Francisco.

Spock/Uhura Fan May 30 2013 07:09 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
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JarodRussell wrote: (Post 8176996)
In this film, Kirk "earns" the 5-year-mission by hiding the ship under water for no reason and against Scotty's opinion, violating the Prime Directive, making several wrong decisions his crew has to talk him out of, getting his own ship shot to pieces, teaming up with the bad guy and failing to control him, and eventually killing thousands of people in San Francisco.

You just had to remind me, didn't you. :rofl: And people thought the way he got to the captain's chair in the last movie didn't make sense...

Flake May 30 2013 07:20 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
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DaleC76 wrote: (Post 8176915)
He said, "They saw us - big deal!"

:rommie:

OH RLY!

darn it I don't understand these americans even after all these years ;)

Flake May 30 2013 07:27 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
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Hartzilla2007 wrote: (Post 8176930)
Quote:

Flake wrote: (Post 8176891)
Quote:

[KIRK] Congratulations Spock, you just saved the world.

[SPOCK] You violated the Prime Directive !

[KIRK] Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal.
When this line was uttered I had flashbacks of various Prime Directive episodes and speeches for a split second! Particularly Picard speeches. I know the Prime Directive was broken a lot but it was not simply brushed aside so nonchalantly as Kirk does here in this exchange. I was quite shocked by this line from Kirk.

Bullshit, when Spock was concerned about breaking the Prime Directive in the Apple Kirk brushed him off by saying Spock looked like Satan after spending the whole episode brushing off Spock's concerns about them meddling.

Quote:

Now I understand why he did it and I understand that Spock probably talked him into the whole mission (instead of doing it Kirks way were the Enterprise probably zooms in from orbit above the volcano in full view) and I am glad he saves Spock for obvious reasons but instead of 'It sucks, Big deal' he could at least acts like he is concerned that he has broken the prime directive and dreads the consequences.
When the hell was Kirk ever concerned about violating the Prime Directive to save the Enterprise and overthrow the evil computer god?

In fact the only times he ever really cares about it is when the bad guys are doing it to either mold the pre-warp civilization to their liking or to get rich after killing a shit load of natives to suck up to another group.

I suppose my reaction is down to mostly watching TNG over the years. I just thought he should not dismiss it so easily after breaking it. He knows he should not have interfered because he tried to cover it all up afterward! He knew there would be consequences if Starfleet found out.

RoJoHen May 30 2013 07:30 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
The Prime Directive pisses me off. What defines "natural evolution?" We're all a part of nature. Just because I come from another planet and have more advanced technology than you doesn't mean I'm not natural! If a volcano threatens to wipe out all life on a planet and I have the means to stop it, not doing so would just be douchey.

Phily B May 30 2013 07:32 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
I can't remember what episode it was but

Spock: But the Prime Directive...?

Kirk: Yes, but it's better to interfere and save these people than let them die out.

Spock: Logical, Captain.

Pavonis May 30 2013 07:34 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
How much impact would seeing a starship really have? So the natives worship the image and idea of this thing rising out of the ocean...so what? It's going to be twisted and misremembered for ages afterward. Rather than picking some deity out of their own imagination, they're going to make up a cult around something that only a few natives glimpsed for a few seconds. And this glimpse is going to negatively impact their culture how? In a few thousands years the Nibiru natives will have "Ancient Alien" television shows that only a few take seriously, whereas some fanatic natives will insist that everything on their planet is the result of alien interference and/or assistance. Is that so bad?

CrazyHorse89 May 30 2013 07:41 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
I understand the premise of the Prime Directive, but it seems to have a slight whiff of colonial attitudes about it. The idea that pre-warp societies are 'primitive' is certainly problematic. By creating this distinction Starfleet has essentially codified a hierarchy of needs based on a species' level of technological development.

JarodRussell May 30 2013 07:47 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
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RoJoHen wrote: (Post 8177089)
The Prime Directive pisses me off. What defines "natural evolution?" We're all a part of nature. Just because I come from another planet and have more advanced technology than you doesn't mean I'm not natural! If a volcano threatens to wipe out all life on a planet and I have the means to stop it, not doing so would just be douchey.

What about a war? To you interfere and end it?

Phily B May 30 2013 07:51 PM

Re: Oh come on Spock, it sucks! Big Deal. (SPOILERS)
 
There is a huge difference between a war about political ideologies and saving a civilization who has just discovered the wheel.


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