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Praetor Baldric May 30 2013 05:37 AM

TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
A great plot means a great conflict. A great conflict usually means a great villain. For me, it seems that the better episodes of TOS had a lot to do with how compelling the villain was. Here are my top 5 best and worst TOS villains:

Best:
5. Redjac
4. Gov. Kor
3. Doomsday Machine
2. Romulan Commander (BOT)
1. Khan

Worst (5 = least bad or most tolerable, 1 = please die now):
5. The Earps
4. The Gorn
3. Romulan Commander (TEI)
2. The Providers
1. Gorgon

I left out characters like Mudd, Cyrano Jones, the Squire, and Charlie X (all of whom I thought were great) because I have trouble classifying them as "villains." I see them more as nuisances that Kirk and company had to overcome as opposed to forces that intentionally sought to antagonize them out of pure malice and/or political reasons.

How about your list?

TheSubCommander May 30 2013 06:01 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Have to agree with you mostly on Best 4, disagree on #5...
5. The Gorn
4. Gov. Kor
3. Doomsday Machine
2. Romulan Commander (BOT)
1. Khan

Worst (5 = least bad or most tolerable, 1 = please die now):
5. Landru
4. Dr. Sevrin
3. The Excalbians
2. Gorgan (Melvin Belli)
1. Dr. Janice Lester

CaptPapa May 31 2013 01:16 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
My favorite/best villians . . .

5 - Doomsday Machine/Nomad/M5/Gorn

4 - Henoch/Losira/T'Pring/Trelane/Balok

3 - Romulan Commander(BOT)/Romulan Commander(TEI)/Kor/Lenore Karidian

2 - Mirror Spock/Evil Kirk

1 - Khan

As for the other part, I don't care for 'worst of' anything lists regarding Star Trek

BillJ May 31 2013 01:17 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Best:

1. Romulan Commander - Balance of Terror
2. Pro-Counsel - Bread and Circuses
3. Captain Ron Tracy - The Omega Glory
4. Gorn Commander - Arena
5. Anan VII - A Taste of Armageddon

Praetor Baldric May 31 2013 03:17 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Quote:

CaptPapa wrote: (Post 8178799)
My favorite/best villians . . .

5 - Doomsday Machine/Nomad/M5/Gorn

4 - Henoch/Losira/T'Pring/Trelane/Balok

3 - Romulan Commander(BOT)/Romulan Commander(TEI)/Kor/Lenore Karidian

2 - Mirror Spock/Evil Kirk

1 - Khan

As for the other part, I don't care for 'worst of' anything lists regarding Star Trek

Ah, you're cheating!:p But seriously, I feel you on this. I should clarify that when I talk about "the worst of anything" to do with TOS, keep in mind that I am discussing it within the context of TOS which, because I consider it to be the most awesome show in TV history, any of its "worst of's are absolutely stellar compared to what can be found in any other program.

FormerLurker May 31 2013 05:32 PM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Villains like the Gorgan and Janice Lester had the misfortune of being in badly written episodes. Imagine if "And the Children Shall Lead" had been written by Theodore Sturgeon. How badass would the Gorgan have been then?

CaptPapa May 31 2013 08:30 PM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Quote:

Big Daddy wrote: (Post 8179267)
Quote:

CaptPapa wrote: (Post 8178799)
My favorite/best villians . . .

5 - Doomsday Machine/Nomad/M5/Gorn

4 - Henoch/Losira/T'Pring/Trelane/Balok

3 - Romulan Commander(BOT)/Romulan Commander(TEI)/Kor/Lenore Karidian

2 - Mirror Spock/Evil Kirk

1 - Khan

As for the other part, I don't care for 'worst of' anything lists regarding Star Trek

Ah, you're cheating!:p But seriously, I feel you on this. I should clarify that when I talk about "the worst of anything" to do with TOS, keep in mind that I am discussing it within the context of TOS which, because I consider it to be the most awesome show in TV history, any of its "worst of's are absolutely stellar compared to what can be found in any other program.


I couldn't help it, I had to list more than five.
As for the worst of _____ , if I go there, I try something like 'least favorite'. I know, pretty silly, but . . . . .
I'm pretty much with you on TOS, but as for the other series, and the reboot for that matter; to each their own. They're not wrong, just different.

TREK_GOD_1 June 1 2013 02:37 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Quote:

BillJ wrote: (Post 8178802)
Best:

1. Romulan Commander - Balance of Terror
2. Pro-Counsel - Bread and Circuses
3. Captain Ron Tracy - The Omega Glory
4. Gorn Commander - Arena
5. Anan VII - A Taste of Armageddon

Great list! I was thinking of Tracy for my own top 5, since he--as a starship captain--was a pound for pound match for Kirk in almost every way--only he was utterly malevolent.

With that said..

1. Kor - Errand of Mercy
2. Khan - Space Seed
3. Captain Tracy - The Omega Glory
4. Dr. Tristan Adams - Dagger of the Mind
5. Romulan Commander - Balance of Terror

Honorable mention:

1. Kang - Day of the Dove
2. Romulan Commander - The Enterprise Incident
3. Mirror Sulu - Mirror Mirror

Worst:

1. Parman - Plato's Stepchildren. Pissy and self-absorbed is best played by Dr. Zachary Smith.

2. Sevrin - The Way to Eden. Fringe/cult leaders--not compelling. He was annoying.

publiusr June 1 2013 08:19 PM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Redjak and the entity in Beyond the Farthest Star for best.

ToddPence June 2 2013 02:03 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
BEST

1. Khan, "Space Seed"
2. Kor, "Errand of Mercy"
3. Kang, "Day of the Dove"
4. Tracy, "The Omega Glory"
5. Garth, "Whom Gods Destroy"

Honorable mention to the Romulan commanders of both "Balance of Terror" and "The Enterprise Incident"

WORST

1. Gorgan, "And the Children Shall Lead"
2. The evil Lazarus, "The Alternative Factor"
3. Kras, "Friday's Child"
4. Korob, "Catspaw"
5. Plasus, "The Cloud Minders"

JRoss June 2 2013 05:32 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Best:
5. Excaliban evil team
4. Planet Killer
3. Mark Lenard's Romulan
2. Khan
1. Kang

Worst
5. Kor
4. That guy who framed Kirk
3. That mind-switchy lady
2. Sylvia and Korob
1. Gorgon

Praetor Baldric June 3 2013 02:12 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Quote:

ToddPence wrote: (Post 8188633)

WORST

1. Gorgan, "And the Children Shall Lead"
2. The evil Lazarus, "The Alternative Factor"
3. Kras, "Friday's Child"
4. Korob, "Catspaw"
5. Plasus, "The Cloud Minders"

When I was a boy, I thought that Plasus was played by Art Carney of Honeymooners`fame! :guffaw:

mach7 June 3 2013 02:41 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
For the best

Kahn
LORD Garth
Gorn
Romulan Commander (both)

Worst

Janice Lester
Janice Lester
Janice Lester
Janice Lester
The Gorgon

AtoZ June 5 2013 06:09 PM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Quote:

BillJ wrote: (Post 8178802)
Best:

1. Romulan Commander - Balance of Terror
2. Pro-Counsel - Bread and Circuses
3. Captain Ron Tracy - The Omega Glory
4. Gorn Commander - Arena
5. Anan VII - A Taste of Armageddon

:techman:

Gary7 June 9 2013 12:19 AM

Re: TOS Villains: Best and Worst
 
Funny how the Gorn made it in people's "best" list. I didn't really care for the outlandishly fake looking lizard incarnation, and the repetitive "clearing of the throat" type bellow from it was silly, but what really spoiled it for me was the narrow mindedness... attacking an outpost without fully understanding the capabilities of your potential enemy, and not even trying a diplomatic approach first ("hey, this planet is ours so you need to leave"). It could have been a basic message first, then after a few months of pause with no sign of the humans leaving, THEN attack.

Anyway, I'm also of the camp that I enjoyed most of the villains and would find it hard to pick a top 5. It's far easier to pick the failures.

Worst:
1. Gorgan, "And the Children Shall Lead"
2. The evil Lazarus, "The Alternative Factor"
3. Dr. Janice Lester
4. Lt. Cmdr Finney
5. Dr. Sevrin


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