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Lance May 29 2013 02:10 PM

Something about TOS I never realised before...
 
... sequentially in Stardate order, the first stardate we're given is 1312 (Where No Man Has Gone Before), and the last is 5943 (All Our Yesterdays). So it appears we do get to see the five year mission in TOS's three seasons... if we are to assume that 1000 stardate points roughly equal a year.

I've never noticed that before. :) Strange that it never occured to me to really look at the Stardates in any great detail.

Also, Catspaw (SD: 3018) evidently takes place before Space Seed (SD: 3141), meaning that the oft quoted 'continuity error' of Chekov not being on the Enterprise when Khan first visited her must not be true. Chekov is seen on the bridge on the earlier Stardate, ergo he was obviously there (off-screen) when they discovered the Botany Bay.

BoredShipCapt'n May 29 2013 02:42 PM

Re: Something about TOS I never realised before...
 
Finally the universe makes sense. :)

Green Shirt May 29 2013 02:50 PM

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BoredShipCapt'n wrote: (Post 8170795)
Finally the universe makes sense. :)

Yeah, we can all go home now. ;)

Timo May 29 2013 03:13 PM

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The only downsides: one or two cases of stardate overlap in the early episodes (mainly, "Miri" vs. "Dagger of the Mind", but Kirk may have been too consumed by the illness to get the last stardate right in "Miri"...), and then a problem that doesn't go away even with the extra years allowed by the stardates.

That problem is from the stardate-free "Day of the Dove", where Klingons think they have upheld the peace signed after "Errand of Mercy" for three years. It's not even two between the airdates of the episodes, so one'd think the stardate model would bring some relief here. Alas, "Errand" has a stardate of about 3200, so "Day of the Dove" ought to take place around SD 6200. Which isn't impossible by any means, but a bit annoying, when the stardate order would otherwise have TOS end with a bang - the supernova explosion of "All Our Yesterdays".

Timo Saloniemi

BoredShipCapt'n May 29 2013 03:41 PM

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Timo wrote: (Post 8170930)
The only downsides: one or two cases of stardate overlap in the early episodes (mainly, "Miri" vs. "Dagger of the Mind", but Kirk may have been too consumed by the illness to get the last stardate right in "Miri"...), and then a problem that doesn't go away even with the extra years allowed by the stardates.

That problem is from the stardate-free "Day of the Dove", where Klingons think they have upheld the peace signed after "Errand of Mercy" for three years. It's not even two between the airdates of the episodes, so one'd think the stardate model would bring some relief here. Alas, "Errand" has a stardate of about 3200, so "Day of the Dove" ought to take place around SD 6200. Which isn't impossible by any means, but a bit annoying, when the stardate order would otherwise have TOS end with a bang - the supernova explosion of "All Our Yesterdays".

Timo Saloniemi

Klingon years could be shorter. :p

Belz... May 29 2013 03:42 PM

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Lance wrote: (Post 8170654)
... sequentially in Stardate order, the first stardate we're given is 1312 (Where No Man Has Gone Before), and the last is 5943 (All Our Yesterdays). So it appears we do get to see the five year mission in TOS's three seasons... if we are to assume that 1000 stardate points roughly equal a year.

I've never noticed that before.

I did, but then that would mean that the production order is not the chronological order, which is, while possible, weird.

BennieGamali May 29 2013 11:34 PM

Re: Something about TOS I never realised before...
 
Maybe the star date numbers are chosen like in the lottery.

Warped9 May 30 2013 12:01 AM

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Lance wrote: (Post 8170654)
... sequentially in Stardate order, the first stardate we're given is 1312 (Where No Man Has Gone Before), and the last is 5943 (All Our Yesterdays). So it appears we do get to see the five year mission in TOS's three seasons... if we are to assume that 1000 stardate points roughly equal a year.

I've never noticed that before. :) Strange that it never occured to me to really look at the Stardates in any great detail.

Also, Catspaw (SD: 3018) evidently takes place before Space Seed (SD: 3141), meaning that the oft quoted 'continuity error' of Chekov not being on the Enterprise when Khan first visited her must not be true. Chekov is seen on the bridge on the earlier Stardate, ergo he was obviously there (off-screen) when they discovered the Botany Bay.

I realized this some years ago. Nice how that fell together, eh?

Praetor Baldric May 30 2013 02:42 AM

Re: Something about TOS I never realised before...
 
I actually feel better now about the whole Khan/Chekov thing. Finally, I can get some sleep. :techman:

MarsWeeps June 1 2013 12:29 AM

Re: Something about TOS I never realised before...
 
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Lance wrote: (Post 8170654)
if we are to assume that 1000 stardate points roughly equal a year.

Grant me one assumption and I can prove anything. :)

Delta Vega June 1 2013 01:06 AM

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I think the writers just thought of a random number and added, say 100, onto it to get a Stardate.

Its all bollocks really.

marsomthing June 1 2013 03:08 AM

Re: Something about TOS I never realised before...
 
1000 star dates equal a year roughly... Is this not defined somewhere? I feel silly for not know this but what is the breakdown of a star date?

Lance June 1 2013 03:10 AM

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Delta Vega wrote: (Post 8183272)
Its all bollocks really.

:lol: :bolian:

Timo June 1 2013 11:45 AM

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1000 star dates equal a year roughly... Is this not defined somewhere?
Since it holds together so amazingly well for TOS, it may be the people slapping stardates onto those episodes did indeed think in these terms. Or at least some of the people did.

Basically, though, 1000 SD/season was decided upon for the first season of TNG, and they stuck to it thereafter - the big question is, does a season equal a year? In most writing, it does, but sometimes the writers make mistakes there, and sometimes it's more convenient to claim that five years have passed rather than the actual three seasons if it allows an older child actor to be used for Molly O'Brien...

Timo Saloniemi

bbailey861 June 1 2013 12:51 PM

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I never tried figuring it out and just ran with whatever number they threw at me. It hurt my brain too much trying to sort out events and dates into something that resembled real time.


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