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Komack May 27 2013 03:11 AM

Missing McCoy (major spoiler)
 
Did anyone else think that Bones -and not Uhura - should have been present in the engine room during Kirk and Spock's final conversation?

Admiral Buzzkill May 27 2013 03:13 AM

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No.

McCoy didn't have the kind of close relationship to Spock in this movie that he does in TWOK with Kirk. Uhura was the appropriate choice here.

Ancient Mariner May 27 2013 03:48 AM

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No.

Spock's whole conflict with emotion has its explicit representation with Uhura's character. Her presence, at the very moment where he not only is emotional, but genuinely embraces emotion, is poignant.

seven14 May 27 2013 03:52 AM

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No, I think it was right to have Uhura there...if possible I wouldn't have minded Bones as well but then it would have seemed crowded in the tight shot.

I feel Uhura and Kirk showed a solidified friendship in this movie. However inappropriate, Kirk would not have thought to have that conversation about Spock in the lift if he and Uhura were not close friends.

I wished she were in the hospital scene with Spock and Bones when Kirk came too--those 3 are the ones I feel he thinks of as close friends/family.

sj4iy May 27 2013 04:16 AM

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What is McCoy going to do to help a dying trapped behind a door when he probably has a ton of patients to help?

Robert D. Robot May 27 2013 04:43 AM

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In this Universe, the senior staff of Kirk's Enterprise seems to be run more like what we see on the Serenity in "Firefly" rather than on the Starfleet vessels we are used to seeing in other Trek incarnations. If the ship's captain is dying in the aftermath of a battle, maybe the Chief Medical Officer should be there, not the head communications officer who should be getting communications back up and running. I also suspect that Sulu would be a better fighter to beam down to save Spock and apprehend Khan... BUT Uhura IS Spock's girlfriend, after all....!

I am not so happy with the familiarity that goes on between Uhura and Kirk and not so approving of her moody 'tude in her job (can not imagine Shatner's Kirk or Picard or Sisko or Janeway or Archer tolerating this sort of behavior from a subordinate). I don't care for it, but this film has more of an action/buddy film feel/tone to it and -like Transformers needed a Mikaela Banes, TPTB decided nuTrek needed a hot & feisty, kick-ass female.

I actually do like how Uhura is given a more integral role in the action in the new Trek movies, and I see how Zoe Saldana's character adds an appealing dimension for both the 'boys and girls' in the audience (I know the usually-non-scifi-appreciating women I saw this movie with REALLY enjoyed her quips and actions), but -for me- her 'bad teenage girl' attitude and behavior goes a little bit too far at times.

Uhura probably needed to stay at her station when Spock went to engineering. Well... maybe not. And maybe McCoy needed to focus on the living in Sick Bay at that point. But we are needing to integrate this relationship into the important scenes of this movie. And this isn't "Tora! Tora! Tora!", after all, right? BUT-- Sulu, the trained fighter, needed to be sent down to immobilize Khan, not Uhura.

sj4iy May 27 2013 05:11 AM

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Robert D. Robot wrote: (Post 8159419)
In this Universe, the senior staff of Kirk's Enterprise seems to be run more like what we see on the Serenity in "Firefly" rather than on the Starfleet vessels we are used to seeing in other Trek incarnations. If the ship's captain is dying in the aftermath of a battle, maybe the Chief Medical Officer should be there, not the head communications officer who should be getting communications back up and running. I also suspect that Sulu would be a better fighter to beam down to save Spock and apprehend Khan... BUT Uhura IS Spock's girlfriend, after all....!

I am not so happy with the familiarity that goes on between Uhura and Kirk and not so approving of her moody 'tude in her job (can not imagine Shatner's Kirk or Picard or Sisko or Janeway or Archer tolerating this sort of behavior from a subordinate). I don't care for it, but this film has more of an action/buddy film feel/tone to it and -like Transformers needed a Mikaela Banes, TPTB decided nuTrek needed a hot & feisty, kick-ass female.

I actually do like how Uhura is given a more integral role in the action in the new Trek movies, and I see how Zoe Saldana's character adds an appealing dimension for both the 'boys and girls' in the audience (I know the usually-non-scifi-appreciating women I saw this movie with REALLY enjoyed her quips and actions), but -for me- her 'bad teenage girl' attitude and behavior goes a little bit too far at times.

Uhura probably needed to stay at her station when Spock went to engineering. Well... maybe not. And maybe McCoy needed to focus on the living in Sick Bay at that point. But we are needing to integrate this relationship into the important scenes of this movie. And this isn't "Tora! Tora! Tora!", after all, right? BUT-- Sulu, the trained fighter, needed to be sent down to immobilize Khan, not Uhura.


1. What could McCoy do, seriously? Watch Kirk die while other people needed his help? What if Kirk had asked for Spock specifically? And Uhura is Spock's girlfriend and she just saw him running because something had happened- it's a natural reaction.

2. Uhura has a personality this time around.

3. Sulu needed to man the bridge as acting Captain.

Maurice May 27 2013 05:18 AM

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Robert D. Robot wrote: (Post 8159419)
Uhura probably needed to stay at her station when Spock went to engineering. Well... maybe not. And maybe McCoy needed to focus on the living in Sick Bay at that point. But we are needing to integrate this relationship into the important scenes of this movie. And this isn't "Tora! Tora! Tora!", after all, right? BUT-- Sulu, the trained fighter, needed to be sent down to immobilize Khan, not Uhura.

I have to ask what the heck Tora Tora Tora has to do with anything here?

As to Sulu, uh, he says he studied fencing. He's not a "thew trained fighter". Plus, Vulcans are stronger than humans, so Spock was the logical choice...well not as logical as sending a whole mess of security, obviously.

OpenMaw May 27 2013 08:31 AM

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I don't know... Putting aside the whole argument about Uhura and McCoy in terms of their place in this new universe and whether it's justified or what have you, I do think from a character standpoint it would have been nice to have Bones there. Remember, McCoy and Kirk were friends for several years before either of them even met Spock.

He could have called back to his own remarks at the beginning of the movie with regards to saving Spock. Scotty could stop McCoy from trying to open the hatch and save Kirk. "We can't just let him die!" "You're not going in there, Doctor! You'll kill us all."

Locutus of Bored May 27 2013 09:42 AM

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Robert D. Robot wrote: (Post 8159419)
If the ship's captain is dying in the aftermath of a battle, maybe the Chief Medical Officer should be there, not the head communications officer who should be getting communications back up and running.

When were communications ever down that they needed to be gotten back up again?

The CMO had a lot of casualties to deal with from the beating the Enterprise took.

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I also suspect that Sulu would be a better fighter to beam down to save Spock and apprehend Khan... BUT Uhura IS Spock's girlfriend, after all....!
Yes, and that's precisely why it had to be her. Spock was in a rage and he needed someone whom he loved to pull him back from the brink before he killed Khan, just like he needed Sarek to pull him back in the first film when he was attacking Kirk.

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I am not so happy with the familiarity that goes on between Uhura and Kirk...
They've known each other since before the Academy, she's obviously become better friends with Kirk over the past year (as has Spock and Kirk), and he was just demoted for his actions stemming from saving her boyfriend's life. They've got good reason to have more familiar banter.

starburst May 27 2013 11:43 AM

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Locutus of Bored wrote: (Post 8159986)
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Robert D. Robot wrote: (Post 8159419)
If the ship's captain is dying in the aftermath of a battle, maybe the Chief Medical Officer should be there, not the head communications officer who should be getting communications back up and running.

When were communications ever down that they needed to be gotten back up again?

The CMO had a lot of casualties to deal with from the beating the Enterprise took.

Exactly, plus Scotty knew that Kirk didnt have a chance, the only reason to call McCoy would have been so he could be there when Kirk died.

Malaika May 27 2013 12:35 PM

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Komack wrote: (Post 8159164)
Did anyone else think that Bones -and not Uhura - should have been present in the engine room during Kirk and Spock's final conversation?

why you don't say "instead of Scotty"? and why it has to be instead of someone?
Honestly I think that he'd make more sense there than Spock if only because:
1) it makes more sense for Scotty to call a doctor or call both, at least
2) Kirk and Bones are really best friends at the moment

I think they left Bones out of the scene on purpose but that's the malicious in me that is thinking that

still the scene at the hospital is cute and God bless McCoy for reminding Kirk that Spock didn't have all the credit for saving his life as both him and Uhura had played an important role too! (actually if it wasn't for them Kirk would be dead because Spock wanted to kill ~John Harrison~ )

The Old Mixer May 27 2013 12:53 PM

Re: Missing McCoy (major spoiler)
 
FWIW, in TWOK McCoy was already in engineering treating Scotty, who had succumbed to radiation exposure. Don't believe that happened this time around.

The Wormhole May 27 2013 01:11 PM

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^^Indeed. Besides, had McCoy been in engineering for that scene, it would literally be a reenactment of the scene in TWOK. Maybe he and Scotty could try to hold Spock back before he opens the chamber...

Robert D. Robot May 27 2013 02:29 PM

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sj4iy wrote: (Post 8159488)
1. What could McCoy do, seriously? Watch Kirk die while other people needed his help? What if Kirk had asked for Spock specifically? And Uhura is Spock's girlfriend and she just saw him running because something had happened- it's a natural reaction.

2. Uhura has a personality this time around.

3. Sulu needed to man the bridge as acting Captain.

RE:1. As I said in my previous post (and agreeing with part of what you said in your previous post), McCoy's skills were, admittedly, realistically needed most in Sick Bay. Uhura running behind Spock, however, simply because she "is his girlfriend" is where I have a problem. Uhura is a bridge officer and she has a job to do, and that job is not running along behind her "boyfriend" every time he makes a move. Uhura running along after Spock in this instance is too far, at least for me.

RE:2. As I said before, I am glad Uhura has an expanded role and her personality is fleshed out more. What I don't care for is her sulking and her petulant behavior on the job. It is 'cute' onscreen and definitely makes the target audience smile, but is not appropriate behavior in the work environment, especially within a quasi-military organization. I guess this is why fraternization is frowned upon in our military, and in our workplaces.

RE:2. Good point about Sulu! However, I am positive that some red shirt security officer (or two) would be better suited to beam down and grab Khan.

As I have said before, I have enjoyed Trek in all its incarnations and I am also really enjoying J.J.'s movies AND psyched that they are having success with a wider audience. But one thing that causes me a little heartburn is the Spock/Uhura thing being taken too far (perhaps) into the realm of the CW network programming. (To see a humorous presentation of this 'trend', please refer to the clip of the scene with a possible "younger and edgier" SG-1 cast seen in the Stargate SG-1 episode, "200"!)

But-- I should just repeat to myself "It's just a movie, I should really just relax..." ;)


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