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Faria May 26 2013 07:50 PM

death penalty
 
What do you think of death penalty?

I think it's a good method to put off unrecoverable criminals.

I'd apply it for recidivious criminal,independently by the crime committed.

and you?

JarodRussell May 26 2013 08:08 PM

Re: death penalty
 
It's wrong.

horatio83 May 26 2013 08:13 PM

Re: death penalty
 
Quote:

Faria wrote: (Post 8157151)
What do you think of death penalty?

I think it's a good method to put off unrecoverable criminals.

I'd apply it for recidivious criminal,independently by the crime committed.

and you?

First, the notion that people should get executed for repeatedly committing petty crimes is utterly preposterous. He stole $100 for the third time? Shoot the bastard!
Second, the death penalty does not seem to have much of a deterring effect.
Third, jurisdiction and justice do not necessarily overlap, mistakes happen. Advocating the death penalty implies being fine with some innocent people being executed.
Fourth, Guatemala is the first country which has recently spoken a sentence against a former head of state genocide (in the country in which it occurred. Once we have justice systems in which the real criminals, i.e. people with political/economic power and thousands of bodies on them, get punished we can talk again about capital punishment.

Sam_I_Am May 26 2013 08:13 PM

Re: death penalty
 
It is very wrong.

Relayer1 May 26 2013 08:29 PM

Re: death penalty
 
Right or wrong is immaterial. Sooner or later you WILL execute an innocent person and there can be no justification for that.

JarodRussell May 26 2013 08:32 PM

Re: death penalty
 
Quote:

Relayer1 wrote: (Post 8157373)
Right or wrong is immaterial. Sooner or later you WILL execute an innocent person and there can be no justification for that.

Is that the general you?

CorporalClegg May 26 2013 08:34 PM

Re: death penalty
 
In murder cases, it's hypocritical.

1001001 May 26 2013 08:44 PM

Re: death penalty
 
I am against it.

Relayer1 May 26 2013 08:47 PM

Re: death penalty
 
Quote:

JarodRussell wrote: (Post 8157388)
Quote:

Relayer1 wrote: (Post 8157373)
Right or wrong is immaterial. Sooner or later you WILL execute an innocent person and there can be no justification for that.

Is that the general you?

Not quite sure what you mean, but for the record I am not in favour of execution on moral grounds - although some cases do challenge my resolve.

The argument that no right thinking person could sanction a system that will inevitably execute the innocent stands.

Tora Ziyal May 26 2013 08:53 PM

Re: death penalty
 
I'm opposed to the death penalty for several reasons, but this is the bottom line:

Quote:

horatio83 wrote: (Post 8157262)
Advocating the death penalty implies being fine with some innocent people being executed.


JarodRussell May 26 2013 08:54 PM

Re: death penalty
 
Not sure if that is a valid argument against death penalty.

It can be re-worded.

Quote:

Advocating imprisonment implies being fine with some innocent people being imprisoned.
Does that mean prisons are wrong because there MIGHT be a chance an innocent person gets into jail for - maybe - 30 years until it becomes clear was was innocent? An innocent person might get sent to jail and DIE before a new technique (like DNA tests) proves his innocence.

J.T.B. May 26 2013 08:58 PM

Re: death penalty
 
I used to be for it, now I'm not. Though I still kind of feel there are some people bad enough they don't deserve the same right to live as the rest of us, in the United States is is applied so unfairly and with so much chance of injustice it is unsupportable. The only real use I can see for it now is for people who murder someone in prison while they are already serving a life sentence.

Tora Ziyal May 26 2013 09:03 PM

Re: death penalty
 
I hate the fact that some innocent people are incarcerated -- I think we have to work hard to avoid it -- but it still isn't the absolute of killing an innocent person. An innocent person unjustly imprisoned still has a possibility of eventually being vindicated and released.

JarodRussell May 26 2013 09:10 PM

Re: death penalty
 
Quote:

Tora Ziyal wrote: (Post 8157547)
I hate the fact that some innocent people are incarcerated -- I think we have to work hard to avoid it -- but it still isn't the absolute of killing an innocent person. An innocent person unjustly imprisoned still has a possibility of eventually being vindicated and released.

There are cases of people getting released after DECADES. Your life is pretty much ruined then. Some even died in prison even though they were innocent. Death candidates wait several decades as well for their execution.

E-DUB May 26 2013 09:15 PM

Re: death penalty
 
My position is a little more nuanced than most. I'm not against the death penalty, but I am against its routine application. Generally speaking, the more forethought, ie: premeditation, that goes into the crime, the greater the likliehood that the death penalty will serve as a deterent. Hire a hit man, go on a spree racking up bodies hither and yon, suit up with body armor and shoot up a theater, you ought to die. I also believe that the standard should be not just beyond reasonable doubt, but beyond any doubt. There are also folks who should be given actual life sentances as in not merely locking them up and throwing away the proverbial key, but as in welding the cell door shut. My position will probably never prevail since it doesn't fit into either the liberal or conservative boxes, but I believe it to be the most defensable.


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