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Captain Nebula May 26 2013 05:56 PM

Why did they bother...
 
Why did they bother with the original Trek crew in these new movies? They could have easily created a new crew. There are only a couple of characters that act like their original counterpart from the original TV series. Spock stayed away from Christine Chapel in the original because he thought it was inappropriate. But this new Spock is all over Uhura. Kirk is promoted from "Cadet who is about to get expelled" to First Officer - completely bypassing Kirk ever serving on the Farragut. Karl Urban's got the McCoy-isms down pretty good. But Scotty is just a guy with an accent - even though Simon Pegg is pretty funny. So is Chekov - just an accent. And it's almost racist that they got a Chinese actor to play the part that a Japanese actor played on the TV show. Did I miss anybody?

They could have at least had Pine do a Shatner imitation.

I guess if it brings in the big bucks at the theater...

/rant

Any thoughts?

Kpnuts May 26 2013 05:59 PM

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Captain Nebula wrote: (Post 8156776)
Any thoughts?

I suggest you just re-watch the old movies if you're only interested in re-living TOS.

Why would people want Pine to do Shatner-isms? Pine's Kirk is fantastic and a breath of fresh air. Let him be his own man.

BillJ May 26 2013 06:00 PM

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Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise are Star Trek.

Abrams called George Takei before casting John Cho. Takei said Sulu wasn't Japanese that he was "Pan-Asian" and gave his blessing to the choice.

Spock had a relationship with a human woman six years prior to season one of TOS per "This Side of Paradise".

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Kpnuts wrote: (Post 8156785)
Why would people want Pine to do Shatner-isms? Pine's Kirk is fantastic and a breath of fresh air. Let him be his own man.

This.

Set Harth May 26 2013 06:01 PM

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And it's almost racist that they got a Chinese actor
Korean, actually.

Cyke101 May 26 2013 06:08 PM

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In an ideal world, it would be great to cast ethnicity by ethnicity. But with that said, Asian and Latino actors often have to compromise by playing roles outside their ethnicity but still within their racial group because there are so very few opportunities out there for minority-based roles.

With that said, I echo BillJ's point that Takei explained Sulu as pan-Asian. To sum up, we have a Korean-American playing someone with a Japanese first name and a Filipino surname. If anything these days, we're seeing more and more couples and families composed of different Asian ethnicities.

Admiral Buzzkill May 26 2013 06:10 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8156788)
Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise are Star Trek.

Yep.

Next.

The Dead Mixer May 26 2013 06:15 PM

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New crews...been there, done that, got very stale the last couple of times. Reimagining the more iconic original crew was exactly the sort of bold move that the franchise needed.

sj4iy May 26 2013 06:20 PM

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Set Harth wrote: (Post 8156794)
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And it's almost racist that they got a Chinese actor
Korean, actually.

Sulu isn't a Japanese name, for the record. There is no "l" in Japanese (many Japanese can't even pronounce it), but "Hikaru" is (it means "light"). According to Wikipedia, this is what Takei said of the character:

"Takei recalled Gene Roddenberry wanted the character to represent all of Asia, which symbolized the peace of the Trek universe in spite of the numerous wars in the continent. Roddenberry did not want a nationally specific surname, so he looked at a map and saw the Sulu Sea. "He thought, 'Ah, the waters of that sea touch all shores'," the actor recalled, "and that's how my character came to have the name Sulu." The Sulu Sea is southwest of the Philippines.

There are many Asian-americans in the US that are of more than one nationality. One of my good friends in college is half Japanese, half Caucasian, and she has always identified as American, even giving up her Japanese citizenship. I always assumed the character of Sulu was very much like her (he was born in San Fransisco).

Also, why redo it? Because the last few entries sucked big time. Throw everything out of the window and start again if you can.

The Wormhole May 26 2013 08:02 PM

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Captain Nebula wrote: (Post 8156776)
I guess if it brings in the big bucks at the theater...

Exactly. Back in 2009, the fact that Trek XI featured recast TOS characters was a Big Deal. It's all the newspaper review I read went on about. You wouldn't have gotten that kind of publicity if it had been a new crew.

Mr. B May 26 2013 08:43 PM

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Captain Nebula wrote: (Post 8156776)
Why did they bother with the original Trek crew in these new movies?

Kirk, Spock and "Beam me up, Scotty" is about all the unwashed masses know about Star Trek, and that's who these movies are for. If you don't play into that, there's no need to even call these new movies "Star Trek."

F. King Daniel May 26 2013 08:55 PM

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Captain Nebula wrote: (Post 8156776)
Why did they bother with the original Trek crew in these new movies? They could have easily created a new crew. There are only a couple of characters that act like their original counterpart from the original TV series. Spock stayed away from Christine Chapel in the original because he thought it was inappropriate. But this new Spock is all over Uhura. Kirk is promoted from "Cadet who is about to get expelled" to First Officer - completely bypassing Kirk ever serving on the Farragut. Karl Urban's got the McCoy-isms down pretty good. But Scotty is just a guy with an accent - even though Simon Pegg is pretty funny. So is Chekov - just an accent. And it's almost racist that they got a Chinese actor to play the part that a Japanese actor played on the TV show. Did I miss anybody?

They could have at least had Pine do a Shatner imitation.

I guess if it brings in the big bucks at the theater...

/rant

Any thoughts?

Kirk and Spock are bigger than William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. Superman is bigger than Christopher Reeve. Sherlock Holmes is bigger than whoever the hell played him prior to Benadict Cumberbatch, Johnny Lee Miller and Robert Downey, Jr.

Plus, who gives a shit about Captain Nobody of the USS Generic Starship? I want to see the characters I cared about reborn. I got that and I'm very happy:techman:

sj4iy May 26 2013 09:06 PM

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Mr. B wrote: (Post 8157451)
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Captain Nebula wrote: (Post 8156776)
Why did they bother with the original Trek crew in these new movies?

Kirk, Spock and "Beam me up, Scotty" is about all the unwashed masses know about Star Trek, and that's who these movies are for. If you don't play into that, there's no need to even call these new movies "Star Trek."

I've always felt that the more fans the merrier. I've lived most of my life liking things most of the people around me didn't and being judged (unfairly) for it. It's nice when things become more mainstream because then I can talk about it to others. But truthfully, TOS didn't age well at all (not many shows from that time did), and I wouldn't expect it to garner many new fans since the cheapest cartoons on tv look 100 times better. You need stories relavent to today, because the newer generation won't understand space hippies. Things have to evolve or die away. And I would rather Star Trek evolve so that my husband and I can watch it with our kids and their kids one day.

marksound May 26 2013 09:06 PM

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It is my considered opinion that casting actors according to their ethnicity is the worst part of Affirmative Action. Not casting the best actor for a role because he is not the right race is the definition of racism.

Disagree if you like, but it won't change my opinion.

sj4iy May 26 2013 09:15 PM

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Carcazoid wrote: (Post 8157565)
It is my considered opinion that casting actors according to their ethnicity is the worst part of Affirmative Action. Not casting the best actor for a role because he is not the right race is the definition of racism.

Disagree if you like, but it won't change my opinion.

I could be wrong, but I don't think Hollywood is subject to Affirmative Action, but it is subject to public opinion. If people are demanding more variety, or if the show is trying to appeal to a broad range of people, they will include different races and body types.

However, I do agree that you should also try to find the best actor available. Which is why I am really glad they cast Cumberbatch as Khan.

The Wormhole May 26 2013 09:18 PM

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Carcazoid wrote: (Post 8157565)
It is my considered opinion that casting actors according to their ethnicity is the worst part of Affirmative Action. Not casting the best actor for a role because he is not the right race is the definition of racism.

Disagree if you like, but it won't change my opinion.

Um okay, but if the character you're casting is supposed to be black or Asian or whatever, then wouldn't someone who is black or Asian or whatever be the best actor for a role?

Look, in some cases, yes, race is trivial to a character and anyone of any ethnicity can be cast. Others, race is essential. If you were doing a Martin Luther King biopic, you wouldn't cast a white guy as Martin Luther King, would you?


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