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Faria May 22 2013 09:09 PM

Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
I think not.

The ships aren't big enough, for , maybe, the excaption of galaxy class.

Turbolisf are just a waste of space.

They could have some sense if they connect just some critical point of the ship (bridge, engineering,sickbay, officer quarters), but just for really big ship.

MacLeod May 22 2013 09:26 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Turbolifts are hardly a waste of space, how much internal volume do those ships have.

Pavonis May 22 2013 10:02 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Turbo lifts are a problem now? What's the alternative - stairs? Ladders? Maybe site-to-site transporters?

Faria May 22 2013 10:46 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
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Pavonis wrote: (Post 8137243)
Turbo lifts are a problem now? What's the alternative - stairs? Ladders? Maybe site-to-site transporters?

stairs, normal lift, corridors and more corridors, like today's ships

Faria May 22 2013 10:48 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
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MacLeod wrote: (Post 8137054)
Turbolifts are hardly a waste of space, how much internal volume do those ships have.

A waste of space is a waste of space, even in a ship with a big internal volume

MacLeod May 22 2013 11:25 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Let's see, what's the difference between having more corridors, and more staircases instead of a turbolift shaft?

Wouldn't a corridor and more corridors and staircase(s) take up space as well?

Your reasoning is non sequitor. You are saying that turbolift shafts take up space, but to replace them by corridors which also take up space.

Robert Comsol May 22 2013 11:47 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Kirk's TV Enterprise had a sickbay that needed to receive incoming emergencies from the transporter rooms and I have a hard time imagining how to move any of these TOS stretcher trolleys from here to there other than by means of some kind of elevator.

And walking from the Bridge to the Hangar Deck would then be less a waste of space but definitely a waste of time, wouldn't it?

Bob

Faria May 22 2013 11:56 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
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MacLeod wrote: (Post 8137744)
Let's see, what's the difference between having more corridors, and more staircases instead of a turbolift shaft?

Wouldn't a corridor and more corridors and staircase(s) take up space as well?

Your reasoning is non sequitor. You are saying that turbolift shafts take up space, but to replace them by corridors which also take up space.

an imagine is better rhan 1000 words:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/774/immaginecbi.png

Faria May 23 2013 12:04 AM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
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Robert Comsol wrote: (Post 8137831)
Kirk's TV Enterprise had a sickbay that needed to receive incoming emergencies from the transporter rooms and I have a hard time imagining how to move any of these TOS stretcher trolleys from here to there other than by means of some kind of elevator.

And walking from the Bridge to the Hangar Deck would then be less a waste of space but definitely a waste of time, wouldn't it?

Bob

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...er/1701-LC.png

from bridge to hangar:

1-take a lift on the bridge to deck 5
2- walk for about 50 meters to a lift from deck 5 to a lift for deck 17
3-walk for another 50 meters

a walk of 100 metrs, sustenable

MacLeod May 23 2013 12:07 AM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Yes some jounreys might be more efficent walking than taking a turbolift, but thats no different than today. Where some people drive half a quarter mile to a shop to buy a paper instead of walking to the shop.

The simple solution would be to have a transporter room next to sick bay. Or falling that at least on the same deck.

As for deck plans available online I'd take those with a pinch of salt.

Albertese May 23 2013 02:44 AM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Quote:

Faria wrote: (Post 8137882)
Quote:

MacLeod wrote: (Post 8137744)
Let's see, what's the difference between having more corridors, and more staircases instead of a turbolift shaft?

Wouldn't a corridor and more corridors and staircase(s) take up space as well?

Your reasoning is non sequitor. You are saying that turbolift shafts take up space, but to replace them by corridors which also take up space.

an imagine is better rhan 1000 words:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/774/immaginecbi.png


You may have misunderstood that drawing... Here's the same trip you tried to plot, using brown for the corridors and blue for the turbolifts. You can see the turbolift is a way more direct route. To go on foot, you have to cut through the Rec Deck! It seems like, at least on this version, the designers are assuming that turbolifts are the primary means of moving around on the ship.


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6...arisontrek.jpg

--Alex

Faria May 23 2013 11:09 AM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Quote:

Albertese wrote: (Post 8138497)
Quote:

Faria wrote: (Post 8137882)
Quote:

MacLeod wrote: (Post 8137744)
Let's see, what's the difference between having more corridors, and more staircases instead of a turbolift shaft?

Wouldn't a corridor and more corridors and staircase(s) take up space as well?

Your reasoning is non sequitor. You are saying that turbolift shafts take up space, but to replace them by corridors which also take up space.

an imagine is better rhan 1000 words:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/774/immaginecbi.png


You may have misunderstood that drawing... Here's the same trip you tried to plot, using brown for the corridors and blue for the turbolifts. You can see the turbolift is a way more direct route. To go on foot, you have to cut through the Rec Deck! It seems like, at least on this version, the designers are assuming that turbolifts are the primary means of moving around on the ship.


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6...arisontrek.jpg

--Alex

my draw was iuntended for a situatin where turbolifts don't work

The Librarian May 23 2013 12:21 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
While some deck plans go overboard in my opinion and need more stairs, you really do need to have lifts to get around a ship that size. It's the vertical component that's the main problem. The Defiant would do fine without lifts, but trying to climb up and down twenty decks to go from the bridge to engineering would be time consuming and exhausting, and dangerous when rapid transit is needed.

Faria May 23 2013 04:05 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Quote:

The Librarian wrote: (Post 8140117)
While some deck plans go overboard in my opinion and need more stairs, you really do need to have lifts to get around a ship that size. It's the vertical component that's the main problem. The Defiant would do fine without lifts, but trying to climb up and down twenty decks to go from the bridge to engineering would be time consuming and exhausting, and dangerous when rapid transit is needed.

Normal lifts are ok, orizontal lift are not

Faria May 23 2013 04:10 PM

Re: Do turbolifts have any sense?
 
Quote:

Albertese wrote: (Post 8138497)

whay program did you use to do this?


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