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HaventGotALife May 20 2013 10:46 AM

TV GUIDE: "STAR TREK SHOULD RETURN TO TV...
 
TV Guide takes up what I have been saying for 2 years now:

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Why Star Trek Should Return to TV

Star Trek had been off television for four years before J.J. Abrams rebooted the film franchise in 2009. While Abrams' vision has clearly struck a chord with audiences (Into Darkness took in $84 million in its opening weekend), there are still many die-hard Trekkies who argue that Star Trek belongs on the small screen and they have a point.

As a huge fan of Abrams' films, it's hard to admit that there is something very un-Trek about them. Instead of a contemplative study questioning the boundaries of morality, what Abrams delivered are exciting, shoot-em-up action flicks that happen to take place in space. Star Trek once excelled as a form of social commentary, and in an era of remote drones, ubiquitous surveillance, and phones that talk back to us, I can't think of a better time for it to return to its philosophical roots.

Santa Claus May 20 2013 10:51 AM

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Except doing the long form contemplative morality play can't really be shoved into a two hour movie, nor should it. I think J.J. blends just enough philosophy and morality to go with the action thrill ride to hearken back to Trek's roots. Because if this is unTrek, so is First Contact, Wrath of Khan, and a number of other Star Trek movie staples.

I do agree that Trek belongs on the small screen, though.

HaventGotALife May 20 2013 11:20 AM

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J. Allen wrote: (Post 8121781)
Except doing the long form contemplative morality play can't really be shoved into a two hour movie, nor should it. I think J.J. blends just enough philosophy and morality to go with the action thrill ride to hearken back to Trek's roots. Because if this is unTrek, so is First Contact, Wrath of Khan, and a number of other Star Trek movie staples.

I do agree that Trek belongs on the small screen, though.

I agree the movie isn't the appropriate format, but Khan is hardly devoid of social commentary. "I'm trying to tell you that scientists have always been pawns of the military!" This is true of today's drones and computers. Molding metal that led to new swords. Splitting the atom leading to the atomic bomb. Just remember that Genesis is a scientific weapon that out-paces our morality. Like the nuclear bomb. Khan is also a creation that out-paced our morality. Spiritual death versus fulfillment in Kirk and Spock, respectively. "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few." That's what makes Khan worth re-watching, in my house. And that's why it's the best Star Trek film.

First Contact is not liked by this Star Trek fan because it's most discernible commentary is about heroes and if their human, and Data's "resistance is futile" line to the Borg Queen. We will fight to the last man. It's not a strong enough version of Star Trek.

surak-toc May 20 2013 01:47 PM

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If they did happen to do another tv series setting it in the abrahamverse would be a good thing, but instead of it being all travel and stuff then maybe have it about the klingons instead, their fight, their tech and planet, would be interesting, maybe even a series set on new Vulcan or some other place and character base

Admiral Buzzkill May 20 2013 01:52 PM

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TV GUIDE is still published?

mos6507 May 20 2013 03:32 PM

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J. Allen wrote: (Post 8121781)
Except doing the long form contemplative morality play can't really be shoved into a two hour movie, nor should it.

There was a fair amount of that going on in the Nolan Batman films.

AviTrek May 20 2013 05:13 PM

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surak-toc wrote: (Post 8122315)
If they did happen to do another tv series setting it in the abrahamverse would be a good thing, but instead of it being all travel and stuff then maybe have it about the klingons instead, their fight, their tech and planet, would be interesting, maybe even a series set on new Vulcan or some other place and character base

If the licensing issues between CBS and Paramount are half as bad as the story last week made it sound, then I expect any new series to be set in it's own universe with no use of JJ IP.

section9 May 20 2013 07:52 PM

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Oh yes, by all means then, let's ring up the Phase II folks and put them on the air.

thumbtack May 20 2013 07:59 PM

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AviTrek wrote: (Post 8123323)
I expect any new series to be set in it's own universe.



So does the tv industry itself. Which means more whining from the truefans no matter how "deep and meaningful" it is.

C.E. Evans May 21 2013 09:08 PM

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AviTrek wrote: (Post 8123323)
If the licensing issues between CBS and Paramount are half as bad as the story last week made it sound, then I expect any new series to be set in it's own universe with no use of JJ IP.

As the license holder to all things Trek, CBS owns it in all its various incarnations, and could set a new series in the Abramsverse if they wanted to and Abrams, Bad Robot, and Paramount can't say anything about it.

But it's probably a case that CBS could probably care less what universe a new show is set in. In any event, it's likely to look different from anything we've seen before, IMO.

Ain Jalut May 22 2013 02:29 AM

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AviTrek wrote: (Post 8123323)
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surak-toc wrote: (Post 8122315)
If they did happen to do another tv series setting it in the abrahamverse would be a good thing, but instead of it being all travel and stuff then maybe have it about the klingons instead, their fight, their tech and planet, would be interesting, maybe even a series set on new Vulcan or some other place and character base

If the licensing issues between CBS and Paramount are half as bad as the story last week made it sound, then I expect any new series to be set in it's own universe with no use of JJ IP.

That's just great....

Admiral Buzzkill May 22 2013 03:32 AM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8130778)
As the license holder to all things Trek, CBS owns it in all its various incarnations, and could set a new series in the Abramsverse if they wanted to and Abrams, Bad Robot, and Paramount can't say anything about it.

No.

Their being the "license holder" does not mean that they own copyright to Paramount's movies.

OTOH, they could certainly do their own new version of TOS without any reference to the Abramsverse.

AviTrek May 22 2013 04:22 AM

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Admiral Buzzkill wrote: (Post 8133130)
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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8130778)
As the license holder to all things Trek, CBS owns it in all its various incarnations, and could set a new series in the Abramsverse if they wanted to and Abrams, Bad Robot, and Paramount can't say anything about it.

No.

Their being the "license holder" does not mean that they own copyright to Paramount's movies.

OTOH, they could certainly do their own new version of TOS without any reference to the Abramsverse.

Truth is, it could go either way. It all depends on the contract between CBS and Paramount. And anything we say is just speculation.

Ryan8bit May 22 2013 06:29 PM

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What exactly about the Abramsverse is even exclusive anyways?

I'd imagine only the newly developed characters and ships, and there's not exactly a ton of those.

Like if a new show continued with the premise of Vulcan not being around, could Bad Robot even do anything about that?

C.E. Evans May 22 2013 10:22 PM

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Admiral Buzzkill wrote: (Post 8133130)
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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8130778)
As the license holder to all things Trek, CBS owns it in all its various incarnations, and could set a new series in the Abramsverse if they wanted to and Abrams, Bad Robot, and Paramount can't say anything about it.

No.

Their being the "license holder" does not mean that they own copyright to Paramount's movies.

No yourself.

CBS owns the Star Trek IP (and works derived from it). Paramount's ownership extends only to the release and distribution of the actual film, but the licensing of its actual content belongs to CBS.
http://www.cbsconsumerproducts.com/s...new_movie.html

(the above will probably be updated soon with Star Trek XII).

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OTOH, they could certainly do their own new version of TOS without any reference to the Abramsverse.
It's not like Paramount will have a say in it anyway.


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