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Mister_Atoz May 19 2013 02:55 AM

NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)
 
In "Into Darkness" there is a close shot of a section of the Enterprise where we see a number of ports opening up to reveal the new torpedoes she is equipped with.

Did anyone happen to notice what section of the ship that was?...it appeared to be the rim of the saucer, but I could be wrong.

GalacticWierdo May 19 2013 03:15 AM

Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)
 
It seemed to me like they were located on the engineering hull.

Undead May 20 2013 01:39 AM

Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)
 
I got that impression too, though it is hard to tell.

Crazy Eddie May 20 2013 02:15 AM

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GalacticWierdo wrote: (Post 8113429)
It seemed to me like they were located on the engineering hull.

Engineering hull, near the shuttlebay.

Actually, I got the impression that the torpedoes never left the shuttlebay and their launch tubes were retrofitted to a location relatively close to the warp core (hence Scotty being so pissed about them; he later bitches to Keenser that "it's not just the retrofits..."). I also figured those tubes were probably converted from existing escape pod tubes or something of that nature; existing features re-purposed for this mission.

bryce May 20 2013 03:14 AM

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I wonder what these weapon launchers are then? Some people assumed that they were the Alternate Universe version of Photon Torpedo Tubes - even though they don't seem to correspond with the torpedo launcher in the front of the ship.

Yet they aren't phasers either? Are they...? (Though the nuEnterprise phases seem more related to the bolt-type phaser weapons the the DS9 Defiant, rather than the cutting/lancing beams we have seen on the various Enterprises...)

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Crazy Eddie May 20 2013 03:25 AM

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bryce wrote: (Post 8120491)
I wonder what these weapon launchers are then?

Could be either one. I vote phasers because they're consistent with the power cells they were using on the Defiant a century later.

But again, considering how NEW these torpedoes were implied to be and how angry Scotty was at knowing absolutely nothing about them, they were probably a totally new type of weapon unlike anything the ship had ever carried before; the new tubes were probably required since the main torpedo launcher was too small or otherwise incompatible with them.

F. King Daniel May 20 2013 12:24 PM

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bryce wrote: (Post 8120491)
(Though the nuEnterprise phases seem more related to the bolt-type phaser weapons the the DS9 Defiant, rather than the cutting/lancing beams we have seen on the various Enterprises...)

The nuTrek phasers look like the Wrath of Khan ones to me - just fired all at once, rather than the ultra-conservative one or two banks at a time we saw in that movie.

sojourner May 21 2013 07:59 AM

Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)
 
Just saw the movie today. The tubes were arranged like broadsides on the engineering hull. It was a fairly strange arrangement.

DEWLine May 25 2013 04:33 AM

Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)
 
"Broadsides".

Good choice of phrasing. It does fit, and it does seem odd.

throwback May 25 2013 07:39 AM

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There are 72 of these torpedo tubes. There are 36 on each side, and they are located on either side of what would be main engineering. There is a schematic seen by Khan that shows the placement of these tubes. When I saw the tubes, I thought they resembled the tubes that were used on submarines.

Scotty was worried about the effect the torpedoes would have on the ship's systems. Think cell phones and airplanes.

Crazy Eddie May 26 2013 02:01 AM

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throwback wrote: (Post 8150434)
Scotty was worried about the effect the torpedoes would have on the ship's systems. Think cell phones and airplanes.

As I alluded to earlier, it's more like "ICBMs on an aircraft carrier." Which is a pretty scary thought if you don't even know what kind of fuel the missiles contain and don't have the first clue how to respond if one of them springs a leak (which, cruising into the heart of enemy territory, is a pretty strong possibility).

beamMe May 26 2013 02:10 AM

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throwback wrote: (Post 8150434)
There are 72 of these torpedo tubes. There are 36 on each side, and they are located on either side of what would be main engineering.

I don't think there are exactly the same number of tubes as there are torpedoes.

Crazy Eddie May 26 2013 04:21 AM

Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)
 
^ There would be if the tubes were specifically installed to carry those torpedoes.

Timo May 27 2013 07:35 PM

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The one in-universe criterion would be that these tubes should be as difficult for the crew to access in-flight as possible, to hide their true nature. This might indeed best be achieved by having 72 individual single-shot launchers that come pre-loaded (or at least starbase-loaded-by-stevedores-in-black) and don't requite any in-flight tampering such as loading of the next round...

On the other hand, these were supposedly refitted in a somewhat hasty and clandestine manner, and adding 72 tubes might be beyond the means of the small cabal of warmongers. I mean, if an important man comes and says "I want this single secret device installed, no questions asked, and it needs these power leads and this control cable", you do it; it's simple enough to plug in yet another module of weirdness to an already flexible design. But if he says "I want 72, ahem, torpedo tubes dotting the hull", you do start questioning his sanity out of simple professional pride.

Timo Saloniemi

Jose Tyler May 27 2013 11:37 PM

Re: NuEnterprise Torpedo Tubes (spoilers, sort of)
 
I assumed the ports were refitted probe/escape pod launchers. Having probes facing port/starboard would make some sense when orbiting a planet. Scotty likely modified what ports were there.

It would also make sense that torpedoes, probes, and escape pods would all have similar launchers; it would make it easier to select your inventory based your mission profile.


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