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Buster May 14 2013 06:00 PM

Blu-Ray vs DVD
 
I've never seen any of these movies and want to know the best way to start. Unless I'm mistaken the blu-ray versions are theatrical and the DVD's are director's cuts. Which version do you recommend? Is the higher quality of the blu-ray versions worth missing out on the extra content and paying the higher price?

BillJ May 14 2013 07:19 PM

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I prefer the theatrical versions. Though I own both the 2-Disc Special Editions and the Blu-ray's.

LOKAI of CHERON May 14 2013 07:47 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8087563)
I prefer the theatrical versions. Though I own both the 2-Disc Special Editions and the Blu-ray's.

Ditto. Ditto!

GameOn May 14 2013 11:17 PM

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I could be wrong but I think it was only the first 2 movies that got directors cuts on DVD. The Motion Picture gets the most changes with some new CGI shots and edits to improve pacing, Star Trek 2's changes are more subtle with some extended scenes and additional dialogue. Some of the movies on blu-ray have pretty poor transfers but I guess they'll still benefit from the bump in resolution over DVD so you're probably better off going for the blu-rays even if you miss out on the extras. If you really want to see the directors cuts then you can pick up the individual DVDs.

Harvey May 14 2013 11:31 PM

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Star Trek VI is also extended on DVD; there are actually two versions of this extended cut, one on the single DVD release and one on the double DVD release. The Blu-Ray is the only time the theatrical version has been made available on home video, AFAIK.

GameOn May 14 2013 11:57 PM

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Harvey wrote: (Post 8088847)
Star Trek VI is also extended on DVD; there are actually two versions of this extended cut, one on the single DVD release and one on the double DVD release. The Blu-Ray is the only time the theatrical version has been made available on home video, AFAIK.

Yeah you're right but I believe the changes are pretty minor. The only one I noticed is that as the conspirators are being named an image of them flashes on the screen. I prefer the original because the image and the sound effect they use really take me out of the scene.

BillJ May 15 2013 12:01 AM

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Harvey wrote: (Post 8088847)
Star Trek VI is also extended on DVD; there are actually two versions of this extended cut, one on the single DVD release and one on the double DVD release. The Blu-Ray is the only time the theatrical version has been made available on home video, AFAIK.

Plus, I believe the Blu-ray is the only version with the original aspect ratio.

Harvey May 15 2013 12:07 AM

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GameOn wrote: (Post 8089051)
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Harvey wrote: (Post 8088847)
Star Trek VI is also extended on DVD; there are actually two versions of this extended cut, one on the single DVD release and one on the double DVD release. The Blu-Ray is the only time the theatrical version has been made available on home video, AFAIK.

Yeah you're right but I believe the changes are pretty minor. The only one I noticed is that as the conspirators are being named an image of them flashes on the screen. I prefer the original because the image and the sound effect they use really take me out of the scene.

The differences between the two extended versions are minor -- and, like you, I prefer the version on the 1-disc DVD-- but the differences between the two extended versions and the theatrical version are more dramatic. Colonel West is completely eliminated in the theatrical version and there are a few other scenes absent as well.

CaptPapa May 15 2013 09:25 PM

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While I fully apreciate the purists' point of view, and would probably agree in any other subject, to me I'll take more story; it's the extended cuts for me.
In my opinion, The Motion Picture was a completely different, and better, film in the director's cut version.
More Star Trek is better!

LOKAI of CHERON May 15 2013 10:11 PM

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CaptPapa wrote: (Post 8093359)
While I fully apreciate the purists' point of view, and would probably agree in any other subject, to me I'll take more story; it's the extended cuts for me.
In my opinion, The Motion Picture was a completely different, and better, film in the director's cut version.
More Star Trek is better!

I totally respect your opinion, CaptPapa. But from my own perspective, even though I'm a fairly long in the tooth 44 year old original series fan dating back to the early 80's, I still don't regard myself as a purist at all. I just feel the DC's are genuinely inferior as movies.

As an example, I feel the changes and additions made to TWOK actually tarnish what is a truly classic film. The extended Peter Preston scene in engineering for instance, with the "blind as a Tiberian bat" comment and suchlike, is pretty cringe-worthy - totally unnecessary and an obvious cut for both content and pacing.

Also, the alternate takes used are, for me, clearly inferior to the ones selected for the theatrical version. Dialogue delivery and acting performances don't quite hit the mark. Again, IMHO, it's very clear why they weren't originally chosen.

Hober Mallow May 15 2013 11:45 PM

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Harvey wrote: (Post 8089108)
The differences between the two extended versions are minor -- and, like you, I prefer the version on the 1-disc DVD-- but the differences between the two extended versions and the theatrical version are more dramatic. Colonel West is completely eliminated in the theatrical version and there are a few other scenes absent as well.

"This is not Klingon blood..."

ssosmcin May 16 2013 04:11 PM

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The theatrical cuts for me. Those are the versions I saw and fell in love with. Besides, the stuff added to TUC was distractingly awful; the Scooby-Doo ending to a plot that didn't make any sense (why put a human in a rubber mask when there are plenty of Klingons in on the plot?); Valeris sliding down that damned pole and hitting the rubber wall; "that Klingon bitch"; "Admiral Cartwright" BONNNNNG!. Totally ruined the film for me and I grew to hate it. Seriously. Then I saw the theatrical cut again and loved it. Those few minutes made all the difference. There was enough cheesy stuff in the movie, it didn't need any more.

Star Trek II: most of the additional scenes are pointless ("that young man, he's my son!" - pause until Spock enters frame - "faaaaaaascinating!"), but the Scotty stuff was great.

I will admit I like the DE of TMP better than any other version, but the theatrical still has great stuff the DE removed. It's still a favorite of mine.

Oso Blanco May 16 2013 05:00 PM

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TMP: I strongly dislike the DE, and I'm thankful that the theatrical version has been released on BD. Although I would have preferred the SLV.

TWOK: I prefer the DE.

TUC: I think the first extended version is the best, although the picture quality on the DVD is crappy and it isn't anamorphic.

Aldo May 18 2013 02:57 AM

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I grew up on TUC video cassette, so I saw the extended edition quite a bit. So recently when I borrowed the DVD version from the library, I expected to miss the extra scenes, I did not. It actually was a tighter film in that regard, not sure why they added those scenes back in the first place...

As for TWOK, I've watched the DC so much that I imagine I'd miss the extra footage, as in that film, I feel it does add to the over all flow of the film.

Belz... May 25 2013 02:08 PM

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BillJ wrote: (Post 8087563)
I prefer the theatrical versions. Though I own both the 2-Disc Special Editions and the Blu-ray's.

Well I haven't seen TMP's theatrical version for years now so I can't compare with the one I have, but I prefer TWOK's special edition because there's some added character moments that I feel are missing from the theatrical cut.


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