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stew58 May 13 2013 04:44 PM

the ready room...
 
maybe someone can offer other answers this one, how come Archer, Picard and Janeway got one and Kirk never did?

my theory, Kirk was always up front, and didnt need to hide in the corner to say things.

BillJ May 13 2013 04:51 PM

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Probably because space was at a premium on Constitution-class starships. Plus the captain already had his quarters and multiple briefing rooms from where he could conduct business.

On a much smaller ship, it never did make any sense that Archer had one...

Tom May 13 2013 05:59 PM

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Archer never had a ready room, he had his quarters, and then we saw a dining room. There was a back area of the bridge for situation planning.

Kirk and his quarters of course, then we had the briefing room also for meetings..

Timewalker May 13 2013 06:01 PM

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Kirk had briefing rooms to use. His own quarters were small, so he could hardly invite the entire senior staff there!

BillJ May 13 2013 06:02 PM

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Tom wrote: (Post 8082235)
Archer never had a ready room, he had his quarters, and then we saw a dining room. There was a back area of the bridge for situation planning.

Kirk and his quarters of course, then we had the briefing room also for meetings..

Archer did have a ready room. The entrance to it is slightly behind Reed's station.

T'Girl May 13 2013 06:14 PM

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We frequently saw Archer in his ready room. Even if you refer to it as his office or his "sea cabin," it's amounts to the same thing.

:)

Timo May 13 2013 08:23 PM

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Basically, what we're asking here is, why wasn't Kirk's office right next to his bridge, like everybody else's? And the answer might be, it was, until it was taken from him.

Picard had various conference rooms available, too, and frequently used his cabin as an office of sorts. That didn't negate his need for a private room from which he could dash to the bridge in a matter of seconds - indeed, his big negotiation table was on a room that was likewise right next to the bridge. This is quite practical, as a starship performing a mission would be doing the good old "ninety-nine minutes of boredom and one of sheer terror" routine, and you could never tell where that one terrifying minute would fall.

Now, space on ships like Kirk's was no doubt at a premium. All the more reason, then, to put Kirk's office where it can double as his ready room.

Perhaps that's where it was? In "The Cage", Pike appeared to have a cabin of an unusual shape right next to the big circular briefing room, or a short corridor length from it; the walls and shapes rather suggest that both were directly beneath the bridge, in the superstructure of the ship. Kirk supposedly flew the very same ship, and quite possibly was supposed to use these facilities like Picard used the Observation Lounge (*) and the Ready Room. But something happened; perhaps the ship was refitted and these spaces had to be sacrificed, or perhaps there was damage to these decks that Kirk never had the time to get repaired. When we next see him, his cabin is down on Deck 12, then perhaps on Deck 3, and once on Deck 5.

So the answer might be, any Constitution skipper other than Kirk the wandering gypsy had a Ready Room and a Conference Room right next to the Main Bridge (one deck down).

Timo Saloniemi

(*) That facility was actually supposed to be called the Conference Room or Conference Lounge; Observation Lounges were random sets decorated with 1980s lounge stuff, as seen in "Justice". But at some point, the room next to the bridge was incorrectly addressed in dialogue, and the terminology stuck. Other designations suggested for the facility in preproduction included Ready Room (when Picard's private nook supposedly went by the name Away Cabin)...

Pavonis May 13 2013 08:27 PM

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Tom wrote: (Post 8082235)
Archer never had a ready room, he had his quarters, and then we saw a dining room. There was a back area of the bridge for situation planning.

Did you watch the show? Of course Archer had his ready room. Here's a picture of it - link.

Timo May 13 2013 08:33 PM

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...What we don't know is whether he had a more proper office somewhere else. All we saw belowdecks was his living quarters, which he didn't normally use for office purposes or meetings and negotiations with non-crew.

We never quite hear whether Kirk has a separate office, either. He doesn't seem to do any more office work in his cabin than Archer does, but there aren't sets or even dialogue references to suggest a Captain's Office.

Timo Saloniemi

DonIago May 13 2013 08:59 PM

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Obviously Kirk had such a fantastically efficient crew that he had no need for one.

Timo May 13 2013 09:05 PM

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Obviously Kirk had such a fantastically efficient crew that he had no need for one.
Looks like it, yes - Kirk could do without a crew just fine in several episodes. :devil:

Timo Saloniemi

C.E. Evans May 13 2013 09:16 PM

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I think the real-world reason is that the producers were just used to having a ready room on TNG, VOY, and (although it was named differently) DS9 and wanted one on ENT too.

"In-universe," I think it just be a case that it was a shipboard feature that was discontinued by the time of TOS and then reinstated by the time of TNG--in other words, Kirk was robbed...

BillJ May 13 2013 09:34 PM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8083159)
I think the real-world reason is that the producers were just used to having a ready room on TNG, VOY, and (although it was named differently) DS9 and wanted one on ENT too.

"In-universe," I think it just be a case that it was a shipboard feature that was discontinued by the time of TOS and then reinstated by the time of TNG--in other words, Kirk was robbed...

Just another symptom of the '24th century Think' that ruined Enterprise.

Timo May 13 2013 09:45 PM

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That's not all that solid an argument, because Ready Rooms are a real-world phenomenon rather than a TNG-invented one. Skippers have bunked next to their command centers during alerts since time immemorial, in the Chart Room if nothing else was available, and in the centers back when no separate bunking existed yet.

TOS was free to ignore Ready Rooms like it was free to ignore Sails or Gun Decks as shipboard fiction elements; TNG was free to include such things (with the appropriate futuristic twist, hopefully). Beyond this, it becomes a matter of continuity - but one that has to take into account the real past that supposedly precedes the fictional future of Trek. Thus, anything missing from TOS but present both here and now and in TNG calls for an explanation of some sort...

Timo Saloniemi

Richard Baker May 13 2013 10:12 PM

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IMO there is a lot of things they simply did not think of when creating the entire ship and universe from scratch. When they revisited it later the ideas that came up since (Away Teams were the idea of David Gerrold, he had an entire book about what did not make sense in the TOS), the Ready Room was a logical addition. Having a place set aside for the captain to decompress but still be immediately available by the Bridge is a great idea, but I think they just did not think of it in the first show. All the later shows benefited from the expereinces and ideas of the prior ones, tuning the concepts and giving each show a special twist. The NX ready room was a must because everyone had seen them before, seen the scenes in them and expected to have it in the stories.


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