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Praetor Adele May 3 2013 12:25 AM

Stand-up Comedy
 
A friend of mine and I are preparing for a stand-up bit at a Star Trek themed comedy and burlesque nerd night. Would this be a good place to possibly post our script and get some feedback? Or would anyone in particular be interested in reading it at all?

Thanks

Angry Fanboy May 4 2013 10:41 PM

Angry Fanboy
 
Yes by all means post it and I'll have a look.

I'm sure others will as well. :)

Mark_Nguyen May 5 2013 12:14 AM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
I'm a working improv comedian. Not quite the same brand of comedy, but always game to see some genre material. B-)

Mark

Elias Vaughn May 6 2013 01:35 AM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
I'd love to see a script, but honestly, I feel comedy that's meant to be spoken loses something if it's read. Maybe read the script and post a Youtube video instead, if possible?

Angry Fanboy May 6 2013 06:28 PM

Angry Fanboy
 
Quote:

Elias Vaughn wrote: (Post 8048047)
I'd love to see a script, but honestly, I feel comedy that's meant to be spoken loses something if it's read...

An entire industry devoted to comedy and joke books would seem to disagree. :)

Elias Vaughn May 7 2013 11:09 PM

Re: Angry Fanboy
 
Quote:

Angry Fanboy wrote: (Post 8050198)
Quote:

Elias Vaughn wrote: (Post 8048047)
I'd love to see a script, but honestly, I feel comedy that's meant to be spoken loses something if it's read...

An entire industry devoted to comedy and joke books would seem to disagree. :)

Comedy books are written in a very different format than scripts that are meant to be spoken aloud in front of an audience.

Sandoval May 8 2013 04:35 PM

Re: Angry Fanboy
 
Quote:

Elias Vaughn wrote: (Post 8055742)
Quote:

Angry Fanboy wrote: (Post 8050198)
Quote:

Elias Vaughn wrote: (Post 8048047)
I'd love to see a script, but honestly, I feel comedy that's meant to be spoken loses something if it's read...

An entire industry devoted to comedy and joke books would seem to disagree. :)

Comedy books are written in a very different format than scripts that are meant to be spoken aloud in front of an audience.

Rubbish. Tons of comedy books are in prose form that is not intended to be spoken aloud.

You're just strainin' to do some explainin'.

Elias Vaughn May 11 2013 12:13 AM

Re: Angry Fanboy
 
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Sandoval wrote: (Post 8058676)
Quote:

Elias Vaughn wrote: (Post 8055742)
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Angry Fanboy wrote: (Post 8050198)

An entire industry devoted to comedy and joke books would seem to disagree. :)

Comedy books are written in a very different format than scripts that are meant to be spoken aloud in front of an audience.

Rubbish. Tons of comedy books are in prose form that is not intended to be spoken aloud.

You're just strainin' to do some explainin'.

...you literally just restated my actual point.

Comedy that is meant to be read is different from comedy that is meant to be heard. Reading a transcript of some George Carlin routine is not nearly as funny as watching him perform it.

Sandoval May 12 2013 11:55 AM

Re: Angry Fanboy
 
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Elias Vaughn wrote: (Post 8070334)
...you literally just restated my actual point.

No.

"Literally" restating your actual point would mean a person restating your point word for word as it was written.

That is what "literally" means.

Elias Vaughn May 12 2013 05:16 PM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
Had I said restated word-for-word, you'd be right.

I did not say word-for-word. You literally restated my original point with different words, so no, I'm right again.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/restate?s=t

Quote:

re新tate [ree-steyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), re新tat搪d, re新tat搏ng.
to state again or in a new way.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/restate

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re新tate (r-stt)
tr.v. re新tat搪d, re新tat搏ng, re新tates
To state again or in a new form.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/restate

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Definition of RESTATE

: to state again or in another way
Emphasis all mine.

Nice try though!

Praetor Adele May 18 2013 04:35 AM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
Firstly, sorry for the delays, I often go days without logging in. Apologies.

Secondly, sorry for interrupting the discussion.

Thirdly, the working draft for tomorrow is unprintable at this point. I had no planned to go quite so dirty with our humour, but I do appreciate everyone's offers for feedback.

Sandoval May 29 2013 11:46 AM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
Quote:

Elias Vaughn wrote: (Post 8077111)
Had I said restated word-for-word, you'd be right.

I did not say word-for-word. You literally restated my original point with different words, so no, I'm right again.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/restate?s=t

Quote:

re新tate [ree-steyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), re新tat搪d, re新tat搏ng.
to state again or in a new way.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/restate

Quote:

re新tate (r-stt)
tr.v. re新tat搪d, re新tat搏ng, re新tates
To state again or in a new form.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/restate

Quote:

Definition of RESTATE

: to state again or in another way
Emphasis all mine.

Nice try though!

Yawn...

Please try to counter me using your own intellect and knowledge or don't bother, no one is interested in reading quote after quote you've had to look up on the internet.

Elias Vaughn May 30 2013 05:34 AM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
Quote:

Sandoval wrote: (Post 8170141)
Please try to counter me using your own intellect and knowledge or don't bother, no one is interested in reading quote after quote you've had to look up on the internet.

Fair enough.

Quote:

Sandoval wrote: (Post 8076175)
No.

"Literally" restating your actual point would mean a person restating your point word for word as it was written.

That is what "literally" means.

I understand what 'literally' means.

But what you don't seem to grasp is that 'restate' does not actually mean that you are using the same words. It actually means that you're simply making the same point (whether or not you are making said point using different words), which means in turn that I used every word correctly in my previous post(s).

You are proving that you not only misunderstand what words mean, but also are seemingly too lazy to read three incredibly short quotes from online dictionaries that were cited as references so you wouldn't think I was making things up. I am, after all, nothing but words on a screen to you, because I believe that this is our first interaction ever. I'd cite my reasons for believing these two things, but you seem to prefer I argue with my own intellect, so I won't.

In conclusion, I respectfully submit that I am winning this conversation.

Tiberius May 30 2013 07:48 AM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
I've found that there are some things that work fine when on the page that don't work well when being performed, and vice versa.

So I have to agree with Elias here. Something can be the funniest thing in the world if it's being performed by actors, but put it into a prose format and it can lose something. Likewise, a book can be very funny, but the instant that it is put on the screen or on a stage, it can lose something.

As a case in point, check out Red Dwarf. I've watched the episodes and also read the books. The books take events of the episodes (albeit in a slightly different order) and turn them into prose. THe books are funny, yes, but in a very different way to the episodes.

For example, take the scene in which Rimmer appears dressed in a gingham dress with a penguin hand puppet called Mr Flibble.

http://www.mr-flibble.com/flibble/flibble3.jpg

Funny as hell when he comes on the screen, but if you have to put it in prose, you're in trouble. It's because on the screen it hits you all at once and you are practically slapped in the face with the absurdity of it all. On the page, it would take a paragraph to describe it, so it can't possibly hit you all at once. Thus it loses the impact that makes it so funny on the screen. And there are things that can't possibly be described in a book. How do you convey the silly cock-eyed-ness of the puppet you see in that picture? The seriousness with which Rimmer takes the whole thing? The tone of his voice? All these things are what make the screen version so funny, and yet they are difficult if not impossible to translate into prose while still keeping it funny.

In any case, Sandoval, I think Elias was right when he said that you were making the same point as him. he said, "Comedy books are written in a very different format than scripts that are meant to be spoken aloud in front of an audience." In other words, comedy PROSE is very different from a comedy PERFORMANCE."

Then you came and said, "Tons of comedy books are in prose form that is not intended to be spoken aloud." In other words, comedy PROSE is different to comedy PERFORMANCE.

I honestly don't see where your disagreement with him comes from.

Sandoval June 1 2013 07:09 PM

Re: Stand-up Comedy
 
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Tiberius wrote: (Post 8175004)
I honestly don't see where your disagreement with him comes from.

Because he has yet to show me the deference and courtesy I deserve as scourge of this fanfic forum.


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