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Deimos Anomaly April 30 2013 01:06 AM

Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
Pretty much every named character of any notability, in both TV trek and the movies, comes from the homeworld of their species.

Any human will come from Earth. Any Klingon will come from Qo'noS. Any Vulcan will come from Vulcan. Any Cardassian will come from Cardassia. And so on.

By the TNG-DS9 era in the late 24th century, humans have been a star-faring species for over 300 years.

Look at how fast North America was opened up with European settlement... By the time of TNG/DS9, the older human colony worlds, like Vega Colony, Alpha Centauri etc. should already boast human populations of hundreds of millions, if not billions. There should be humans out there who have never set foot on Earth, but all we ever get are people born and bred on Earth.

It's silly.

C.E. Evans April 30 2013 01:11 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
Tasha Yar came from the Turkana IV colony. Both the original Enterprise and the Enterprise-D visited many Federation/Earth colonies and the people who lived there. For all we know, a few billion Humans live off-world by the 24th-Century (with Earth's population perhaps the same if not slightly smaller than it is today).

Worf was born on Qo'noS, but he and his family eventually relocated to Khitomer and made that Klingon colony their home. The Enterprise-C came to the rescue of Klingons at the Narendra III colony as well.

The Wormhole April 30 2013 01:13 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
It's no more silly as every Starfleet officer being a graduate of Starfleet Academy. It's just one of those things, is all. In order to get the attention of the common viewer, recognizable names have to be used. Therefore Earth Vulcan, Qo'nos are used since they have more recognition factor among the audience than Alpha Centauri, P'Jem, or Mempa VI. The closest you get is a compromise like with Tuvok, born on the Vulcanis Lunar colony but raised on Vulcan.

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8021320)
Worf was born on Qo'noS, but he and his family eventually relocated to Khitomer and made that Klingon colony their home.

Actually, Worf and his parents were visiting Khitomer at the time of the massacre and had left Kurn behind on Qo'nos. However, the Rozhenkos were living on the colony world Gault when the adopted Worf, though they eventually moved to Earth.

C.E. Evans April 30 2013 01:43 AM

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The Wormhole wrote: (Post 8021338)
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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8021320)
Worf was born on Qo'noS, but he and his family eventually relocated to Khitomer and made that Klingon colony their home.

Actually, Worf and his parents were visiting Khitomer at the time of the massacre and had left Kurn behind on Qo'nos.

It was a bit more than a visit. Mogh went with his wife and Worf to Khitomer to find out who was conspiring with the Romulans. I think they spent about a year there.

The Wormhole April 30 2013 02:01 AM

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The Wormhole wrote: (Post 8021338)
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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8021320)
Worf was born on Qo'noS, but he and his family eventually relocated to Khitomer and made that Klingon colony their home.

Actually, Worf and his parents were visiting Khitomer at the time of the massacre and had left Kurn behind on Qo'nos.

It was a bit more than a visit. Mogh went with his wife and Worf to Khitomer to find out who was conspiring with the Romulans. I think they spent about a year there.

Still, the fact they left their other son on Qo'nos implied they intended to return.

Third Nacelle April 30 2013 02:02 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
Beverly Crusher was from Luna. Data was from the Omicron Theta colony. Ezri Dax was from New Sydney. Worf was raised on Gault. Neelix was from Rinax. Chakotay was from some colony in the DMZ. Seven of Nine was born on Tendara.

C.E. Evans April 30 2013 02:02 AM

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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 8021431)
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The Wormhole wrote: (Post 8021338)

Actually, Worf and his parents were visiting Khitomer at the time of the massacre and had left Kurn behind on Qo'nos.

It was a bit more than a visit. Mogh went with his wife and Worf to Khitomer to find out who was conspiring with the Romulans. I think they spent about a year there.

Still, the fact they left their other son on Qo'nos implied they intended to return.

But in the meantime, it was their residence.

R. Star April 30 2013 02:13 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
To the OP.. I think most main characters are from the main homeworld simply because if you're a human from Alpha Centauri they think the audience is too stupid to realize they're not an alien.

Merry Christmas April 30 2013 03:17 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
Tuvok was born on a colony too.

By the time of TNG etc, for Humans the interstellar colonization process is only a couple of centuries old, so while tens of millions (even hundreds of millions) of Humans are "from the colonies," the average Humans is still from Earth.

:)

Vanyel April 30 2013 03:27 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
I thought the Cylons destroyed the colonies? hehehehehe

Ok, maybe that only made me laugh.

Santa Kang April 30 2013 03:46 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
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R. Star wrote: (Post 8021653)
To the OP.. I think most main characters are from the main homeworld simply because if you're a human from Alpha Centauri they think the audience is too stupid to realize they're not an alien.

They might be right. A lot of fans thought Zephram Cochrane was an Alpha Centaurian humanoid, even though McCoy states he is a human. :p

Timo April 30 2013 09:35 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
It could be a fairly clear-cut issue: in the terminally boring existence of the 24th century utopia, you get your kicks from going to the frontier - either to experience the hardships of colonization, or to seek death in Starfleet. You don't really have any motivation to do both.

Timo Saloniemi

Ho Ho Homeier April 30 2013 09:48 AM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
^ I can imagine the recruiting pitches: "Ready to end it all? Become a security guard on a starship!"

C.E. Evans April 30 2013 09:59 AM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 8021653)
To the OP.. I think most main characters are from the main homeworld simply because if you're a human from Alpha Centauri they think the audience is too stupid to realize they're not an alien.

They might be right. A lot of fans thought Zephram Cochrane was an Alpha Centaurian humanoid, even though McCoy states he is a human. :p

If we go with the idea that humans are a fairly common species throughout the Star Trek Universe and popped up eons ago on many worlds other than Earth, it does work. Terrans would specify humans from Earth (or of Earth ancestry), Alpha Centaurians would be humans who originated from Alpha Centauri, Ventaxians are humans who sprung up from Ventax II and so on.

QCzar April 30 2013 01:25 PM

Re: Why so few people come from the colonies...?
 
Also, the Earth-based colonization is not a great example since, even with the given of the US (which is a special case I think many would agree) the entire population of white Europeans living outside of Europe is still much smaller than Europe's as a whole (this is relative to Earth's population). This after they began colonizing outside of Europe almost 700 years ago, on one planet no less.


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