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ConRefit79 April 29 2013 09:05 PM

What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
I'll admit, I don't care for the direction Star Trek has gone, under Abrams. But I wonder if given the choice, would current Star Trek fans have preferred this to be Pike's story and not a re-imagined Kirk story? We only get to see a worn Pike in the first pilot. Kind of like Kirk in TWOK. It would interesting to see Pike's early days commanding Enterprise.

BillJ April 29 2013 09:08 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
I'm not really a fan of Bruce Greenwood as Pike. I really wish they would have had him play a different character. :shrug:

Franklin April 29 2013 09:11 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
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ConRefit79 wrote: (Post 8020225)
I'll admit, I don't care for the direction Star Trek has gone, under Abrams. But I wonder if given the choice, would current Star Trek fans have preferred this to be Pike's story and not a re-imagined Kirk story? We only get to see a worn Pike in the first pilot. Kind of like Kirk in TWOK. It would interesting to see Pike's early days commanding Enterprise.

Actually, I'd have liked to have seen Kirk's early days commanding the Enteprise, reimagined or not (which is what we're essentially getting).

If Abrams had decided to reboot Trek with Pike, Spock, Number One, Boyce, Tyler, Colt and that crew, I think folks would've raised holy hell. It would've been a WTF moment. Abrams made the logical choice (a bold and confident one, too), and has apparently made it work beyond anyone's wildest expectations.

KirkusOveractus April 29 2013 09:15 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
While it may have been interesting to see some adventures with Pike and his crew, it would not have played well with a general audience. What you have to think about is the general audience in mind, who normally think of "Star Track" with "the pointy ears guy" and "Beam me up, Scotty".

The way Abrams and Co. went was the best possible direction, and the gamble worked.

Admiral Buzzkill April 29 2013 09:18 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
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ConRefit79 wrote: (Post 8020225)
But I wonder if given the choice, would current Star Trek fans have preferred this to be Pike's story and not a re-imagined Kirk story?

No.

ConRefit79 April 29 2013 09:23 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
General audiences go to see movies all the time with characters they don't know. I think the only reason to not create a new crew, is to gain support of the base. But I don't think the base would care either way. They'll either like it or not. Just like they like or don't like having Kirk and crew.

Mad Jack Wolfe April 29 2013 09:24 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
Pike is fine as a supporting character. Outside of that? Nope.

Franklin April 29 2013 09:27 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
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ConRefit79 wrote: (Post 8020324)
General audiences go to see movies all the time with characters they don't know. I think the only reason to not create a new crew, is to gain support of the base. But I don't think the base would care either way. They'll either like it or not. Just like they like or don't like having Kirk and crew.

Not to sound curt, but I'm part of the fan base, and I would've cared. A lot. Without Kirk and Spock, there would be no "Star Trek" fifty years later. No disrepect meant to any other flavor of Trek (many of which I like) but Kirk and Spock are "Star Trek", and if you're going to completely start over, why start anywhere else?

C.E. Evans April 29 2013 09:28 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
All it would have done is caused most people to ask "Why didn't they use Kirk?" or "Will the next movie feature Kirk?"

Admiral Buzzkill April 29 2013 09:29 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
Yep. The idea of a new version of Kirk and Spock was exciting. Pike, or the fiftieth other spinoff crew? Not so much.

ConRefit79 April 29 2013 09:41 PM

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Franklin wrote: (Post 8020351)
Not to sound curt, but I'm part of the fan base, and I would've cared. A lot.

No problem. I agree without Kirk, Spock and McCoy, there would be no Star Trek. But there are many saying that many fans will go see the new movies at the theater, even if they don't care for the reboot. And unfortunately, I'm sure that is probably true.

KirkusOveractus April 29 2013 10:00 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
It more than likely is, but you're talking about fans there. What must make sense in the making of a major motion picture is having more than fans go see it.

If it isn't worth the money to make it (and make a profit from it), it won't get made, or at the most be made as a fan film.

There is a huge difference between a TV series (where something like an early adventures of Pike may work) and a movie, where something like Star Trek has to be done as right and as profitable as possible, or it isn't going to happen.

If there is even the slightest hint that it won't make the money back, it won't get made.

ConRefit79 April 29 2013 10:08 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
Looks like the consensus is no.

The Keeper April 29 2013 10:59 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
No. Pike's story, like April's is better told in the comics/novelverse. Star Trek is Kirk & Co.

BillJ April 29 2013 11:02 PM

Re: What if the new Star Trek had been about Pike?
 
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The Keeper wrote: (Post 8020792)
No. Pike's story, like April's is better told in the comics/novelverse. Star Trek is Kirk & Co.

This.

A Pike movie would have a tough time topping Marvel Comics Star Trek: Early Voyages in my book.


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