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bfollowell April 24 2013 01:50 PM

Vulcan's Noun Pentalogy?
 
Or is it a duology and a trilogy? Or two stand-alones and a trilogy?

Anyway, having completely caught up with the current continuity, I 've started to read some TOS novels. I've read everything published since about 2009 and have been reading the newer novels as they're published. Now I'm considering starting this series. From what I've heard, I think this series is more or less tied together and are thought quite highly of. I was just curious if there are any other novels that should be read in conjunction with these or if these five pretty much stand alone. For those of you that have read them, what is your opinion of them?

Thanks.

- Byron

Christopher April 24 2013 02:22 PM

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bfollowell wrote: (Post 7994551)
Or two stand-alones and a trilogy?

That comes closest. Although in the strictest sense, the word "trilogy" should only be used for three separate, complete individual stories that collectively form a larger arc or continuity, rather than a single story split into three volumes. So it could be argued that the five books in all form a trilogy, the third part of which was published in three installments. But that interpretation is unlikely to catch on. Maybe they should just be called a "series," though it's kind of a loose series.


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I was just curious if there are any other novels that should be read in conjunction with these or if these five pretty much stand alone.
I'd say Forge and Heart are pretty much self-contained. Forge is largely a story about Spock's adolescence and how he came to decide to join Starfleet, with a frame story of Captain Spock (after Kirk's apparent death in the GEN prologue) being reunited with a character who played a crucial role in those events. It introduces a Romulan character who will figure in all five books (and a short story by the same authors in Tales of the Dominion War), but otherwise its ties to the other books -- or indeed any other books -- are minor.

Heart is set decades later and fills in the backstory about Spock's marriage as referenced in TNG: "Sarek," as well as dealing with the Battle of Narendra III from "Yesterday's Enterprise" and featuring Picard and the Stargazer. It also establishes a lot about Romulan politics in what would later be called the Lost Era, and what it established about that has been built on in later books, notably The Lost Era: Serpents Among the Ruins.

Soul is set decades after that, in the wake of the Dominion War, and involves a much older Ambassador Spock pursuing his Unification mission, as well as flashing back to the proto-Romulans' schism and departure from Vulcan, basically retelling the story of the Sundering that Diane Duane had earlier dealt with in The Romulan Way and Spock's World. The first book tells Surak's story on Vulcan rather differently than Duane did, but the second book's chronicle of the interstellar migration follows Duane's version very closely while expanding on it. There was a change in editors between books 1 and 2, as I recall, and I've always suspected that it led to a change in attitude about whether to acknowledge Duane's work, though that's just speculation. Anyway, the "present-day" story revisits the Romulan characters and political arcs established in the previous books. Despite the "Vulcan's" in the titles, it's the Romulan elements that provide the throughline for the series.

Relayer1 April 24 2013 02:26 PM

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Forge was poor, Heart was O.K. and the Exodus trilogy was sort of interesting but rather dull, which makes ploughing through three of them something of a chore.

If I recall, you do see some 'old friends' in the 24th Century that you haven't seen before...

King Daniel Into Darkness April 24 2013 08:15 PM

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I thought Forge was really good, and Heart was lame. Haven't read the Soul trilogy yet, but I'll get to it one day.

Relayer1 April 24 2013 08:29 PM

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King Daniel wrote: (Post 7996417)
I thought Forge was really good, and Heart was lame. Haven't read the Soul trilogy yet, but I'll get to it one day.

I read Heart years ago, so it might be rose tinted hindsight on my behalf. I read Forge this year and didn't like it much.

I read the trilogy when they came out and I stand by my dull assessment.

EliyahuQeoni April 24 2013 08:53 PM

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I've only read Heart and liked it for the most part. The best parts are those involving the Enterprise 1701-C

Stevil2001 April 25 2013 11:58 AM

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I remember liking Vulcan's Forge, thinking Vulcan's Heart was okay, and not bothering to continue with Vulcan's Soul after the first book.

DorkBoy [TM] April 25 2013 02:41 PM

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Yeah, Forge and Heart were great. It was like getting a new Spock's World every few years.

Vulcan's Soul was a bit of a slog. I ended up enjoying it once I finished the third book. But it felt like it would have been better if it had been one book instead of 3. I read the first book, but put it away for several years before finally coming back to it, rereading the first book, and completing the trilogy.

I liked the fact that they went back and tied in the Remans and explained them. They were something I thought was "weird" about Nemesis. But I really liked how that came about in the books.

Therin of Andor April 26 2013 07:03 AM

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DorkBoy [TM] wrote: (Post 8000110)
I liked the fact that they went back and tied in the Remans and explained them. They were something I thought was "weird" about Nemesis. But I really liked how that came about in the books.

Yep. The editor urged them to delay one of the books for a year, to enable the Remans to be added, and it really strengthened the story the trilogy was telling.

I did find the historical chapters a hard slog. Other readers often said the opposite: that they only liked the history bits.

zarkon April 26 2013 11:39 AM

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Relayer1 wrote: (Post 7994734)
Forge was poor, Heart was O.K. and the Exodus trilogy was sort of interesting but rather dull, which makes ploughing through three of them something of a chore.

This about nails it

Paper Moon April 26 2013 07:50 PM

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I picked up both Vulcan's Forge and Heart a few months back. I set Forge aside, but went ahead a read Heart because I'd heard that it ties well into Serpents Among The Ruins and especially The Art of the Impossible. Turns out that it definitely does! A couple of slightly different interpretations here and there, but overall, they mesh very very well.

I wrote the following (spoiler-heavy) review right after finishing Heart, for my own reference.

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Avro Arrow April 27 2013 04:04 AM

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Therin of Andor wrote: (Post 8004511)
Other readers often said the opposite: that they only liked the history bits.

I don't know about *only* liked, but I definitely enjoyed the historical chapters more than the 24th century ones. :)

Mr. Laser Beam April 27 2013 03:05 PM

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I totally love that bit in Vulcan's Heart where the fine, upstanding Admiral Narviat admits that he watches that "Romulus Roars!" show, and when approached about it, he gets all stuffy and just says "...I like the music." :guffaw:


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