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reanimatedfish April 24 2013 08:00 AM

U.S.S. Vengeance from Into Darkness - POTENTIAL SPOILERS
 
http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cd...engeance-b.jpg

Now, I know this isn't technically an art related post... But aside from the knee-jerk reaction that Abrams is the anti-christ, I'm honestly curious to hear the impressions of some of the artists around here.

calamity_si April 24 2013 08:17 AM

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Well, I'll throw my 2 pence worth in here. Overall, I really like it. The detail, the aztec pattern and the sunken deflector dish are all great. Love the engines too and the overall 'angular' design does make me think of a stealth fighter. To critique, I'd say that this ship perhaps suffers from being a bit overdesigned both in the interior and exterior. I think it's something modern 21st century redesigns have in common. Another good example to use would be the new Transformers. Actually too many moving parts and greeblies which confuse the overall asthetic of the design. I'd also say that the ship perhaps looks a little too advanced as well for this particular time. I would have liked to have seen this in a new series perhaps and have the Dreadnought in the movie pay a bit more homage to the 3-engined Franz Joseph dreadnought. Overall, I'd give this a 7/10.

calamity_si April 24 2013 08:44 AM

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It actually kinda reminds me of one of my previous designs:

http://calamitysi.deviantart.com/gal...&_sid=1bbcb898

Bry_Sinclair April 24 2013 09:09 AM

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"Vengeance" is a very aggressive name for a Federation starship, sounds like it belongs more in the Mirror Universe.

calamity_si April 24 2013 11:00 AM

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It's a Section 31 ship so it's bound to be badass.

Avon April 24 2013 11:49 AM

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is that actually the ship from the film, or is it someone's design that people mistakenly think is the real thing? like before the last film there were a bunch of fan designs going around for the new enterprise

calamity_si April 24 2013 12:00 PM

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junxon wrote: (Post 7994128)
is that actually the ship from the film, or is it someone's design that people mistakenly think is the real thing? like before the last film there were a bunch of fan designs going around for the new enterprise

I'll take this one; Yes. It is 100% definately the ship from the movie. All the trek sites online are showing this as the USS Vengeance and it's hard to believe that they'd ALL (including StarTrek.com) be wrong.

Shazam! April 24 2013 12:05 PM

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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 7993852)
"Vengeance" is a very aggressive name for a Federation starship, sounds like it belongs more in the Mirror Universe.

This IS a mirror universe.

Blip April 24 2013 12:17 PM

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Didn't Vektor do an April Fools' "battleship 1701" wayyy back before STXI came out, which looks suspiciously similar to the Vengeance in overall appearance?

IMO, the name is just dumb. It'd work for a Romulan ship. Or Reman. Or Mirror Universe... but this just doesn't fit. Even S31 wouldn't use a name that stupid.

As to the overall design... well I mostly like the nacelles. The rest I could happily dump along with the alien ships from Battleship, nu-Transformers, and every other sloppily over-detailed, garish, cheap-looking piece of photoshop design that has emerged from Hollywood sci-fi in the past 10 years. (luckily it won't impede my enjoyment of what sounds like another fun popcorn flick).

Blip April 24 2013 12:20 PM

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Shazam! wrote: (Post 7994161)
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Bry_Sinclair wrote: (Post 7993852)
"Vengeance" is a very aggressive name for a Federation starship, sounds like it belongs more in the Mirror Universe.

This IS a mirror universe.


Actually, this is an alternate universe; not the Mirror Universe. ;)

You could say that's splitting hairs, but for Trek it's an important distinction (since the Mirror Universe refers to that particular reality where the characters are the reverse of their "Prime" selves).

Shazam! April 24 2013 12:25 PM

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That's why I said A mirror and not THE mirror ; )

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As to the overall design... well I mostly like the nacelles. The rest I could happily dump along with the alien ships from Battleship, nu-Transformers, and every other sloppily over-detailed, garish, cheap-looking piece of photoshop design that has emerged from Hollywood sci-fi in the past 10 years. (luckily it won't impede my enjoyment of what sounds like another fun popcorn flick).
This is correct.

backstept April 24 2013 12:36 PM

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the panel texture looks sloppy . . . isn't it the same one they used everywhere on Babylon 5 and everything else ever?

calamity_si April 24 2013 01:26 PM

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Blip wrote: (Post 7994188)
...I mostly like the nacelles. The rest I could happily dump along with the alien ships from Battleship, nu-Transformers, and every other sloppily over-detailed, garish, cheap-looking piece of photoshop design that has emerged from Hollywood sci-fi in the past 10 years. (luckily it won't impede my enjoyment of what sounds like another fun popcorn flick).

I'm glad someone else agrees that Hollywood has suffered from some really bad 'overdesigners' since 2KX. It's funny, if you look back at 90's design, it was all about looking sleek and organic. I'm thinking of varous Trek ships from this era, the Batmobiles, the Jupiter 2 and Robot designs from 'Lost in Space', Moya from Farscape and pretty much ALL the ships from Babylon 5. Moving beyond that, the trend now seems to add an INSANE amount of unnecessary clunk and detail. I think we both referenced 'Transformers' as a great example of that.

Avon April 24 2013 01:26 PM

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is the secondary hull and neck just serenity from firefly covered in glowing bits?

calamity_si April 24 2013 01:28 PM

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junxon wrote: (Post 7994440)
is the secondary hull and neck just serenity from firefly covered in glowing bits?

LOL! Complete with two big shiny cojones!:rommie:


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