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Dal Rassak April 23 2013 11:40 AM

question re. Tuvok/Vorik
 
During the series, both Tuvok and Vorik get into that reproductive state where they either have to find a mate or fight someone. Now the doc suggests to Vorik that he should try and "work it off" with the aid of a holographic substitute. He tries this and it doesn't work. However when Tuvok is in the same situation, a holographic simulation of his wife proves adequate.

I'm a bit puzzled by this. If the pon-farr state can't be resolved by consorting with a hologram, that would make more sense. Re-balancing the brain chemistry has to involve more than just the basic physical act, otherwise you wouldn't even need a hologram - five minutes of fun in private would do the trick. In Vorik's case it's suggested that some kind of a mind-link with the partner is essential, and that this can be forced if the intended mate is a non-Vulcan. That explains why a hologram is useless since they don't have minds. However for Tuvok it's shown to work.
Is there any reason or is it just one of those instances of writers-didn't-pay-attention-hoping-the-audience-doesn't-either?

teacake April 23 2013 11:43 AM

Re: question re. Tuvok/Vorik
 
Tuvok has already gone through the pon farr and already linked himself to T'Pel. I think this may have something to do with it, as though the switch of linking has been thrown and his familiarity with pon farr allows him to go through the motions if not the exact reality. Perhaps he has achieved some control of his own brain chemistry which the younger inexperienced Vorik would be unable to do do.

Of course I thought at first you were going to ask why Tuvok and Vorik couldn't pon farr with each other because of the way you've written the subject.

Melakon April 23 2013 11:55 AM

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I think there could be several possible reasons it worked for Tuvok. He's older and more experienced in Vulcan disciplines. He doesn't need to do the combat ritual, he just needs to get his rocks off. His holodeck partner is a simulation of his own wife, whom he's already bonded with. There's a lot we don't know about Vulcan telepathic abilities. We know they can sense over great distances, as Spock is visibly shaken when the Intrepid is destroyed in "The Immunity Syndrome". Perhaps some sort of bonding link still exists between Tuvok and his wife, even at 70000 lightyears.

Dal Rassak April 23 2013 01:39 PM

Re: question re. Tuvok/Vorik
 
haha! I should've written "Tuvok and Vorik"... forgot that the / is commonly used to indicate a pairing... But actually, now I'm thinking, if the prospective partner doesn't absolutely have to be a Vulcan, do they absolutely have to be a female?

Sonja April 23 2013 03:47 PM

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I always thought the hologram solution didn't work for Vorik because he was too fixated on Torres.

R. Star April 23 2013 03:50 PM

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Which begs the question... why didn't the EMH just program up a holoTorres.

Sonja April 23 2013 03:52 PM

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Hm... because realTorres[tm] would disassemble him? :evil:

Captain Kathryn April 23 2013 04:43 PM

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Quote:

R. Star wrote: (Post 7988899)
Which begs the question... why didn't the EMH just program up a holoTorres.

She would have deleted the EMH's program out of revenge. :klingon:

sonak April 23 2013 04:44 PM

Re: question re. Tuvok/Vorik
 
the pon farr is a pretty silly concept and has been inconsistenly interpreted

Captain Kathryn April 23 2013 04:45 PM

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Quote:

Dal Rassak wrote: (Post 7988239)
haha! I should've written "Tuvok and Vorik"... forgot that the / is commonly used to indicate a pairing... But actually, now I'm thinking, if the prospective partner doesn't absolutely have to be a Vulcan, do they absolutely have to be a female?

Tuvok was pretty adamant about not cheating on T'Pel, so I doubt he would have done the deed with Vorik. :ack:

R. Star April 23 2013 04:49 PM

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Quote:

Captain Kathryn wrote: (Post 7989175)
Quote:

R. Star wrote: (Post 7988899)
Which begs the question... why didn't the EMH just program up a holoTorres.

She would have deleted the EMH's program out of revenge. :klingon:

Doctor/Patient confidentiality. She never would have to know. ;)

Melakon April 23 2013 05:51 PM

Re: question re. Tuvok/Vorik
 
A gay Vulcan almost sounds like mutually exclusive terms, depending on the definition of gay.

teacake April 23 2013 10:36 PM

Re: question re. Tuvok/Vorik
 
What about those chicken eating ones? The round one seemed quite a happy chap.

Melakon April 23 2013 10:50 PM

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Yes, he does qualify as a gay Vulcan.

Guy Gardener April 24 2013 01:08 AM

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The writers fucked up.

Ponn far has a telepathic element and holograms are telepathically null.

Of course Tuvok also said that you can work your way through Pon far with meditation which is code for masturbation surely?

So the hologram could be seen as masturbation plus, rather than sex minus.

Although if he could frakk anyone, cheating on his wife with a hologram, fuck it, this would have been an excellent opportunity to bring back Jennifer Lien... because he had been resisting his attraction to her forever... Of course half way through the sex with a Kes lightbulb, it turns out to be another Seska time bomb worm virus, who takes the ball and runs with it... Them?

"Look, I'm dead and I've lost, you probably killed me, I get it, you're the good guys and I'm the bad guys, you won and I lost and nothing I can ever do is going to be enough to put you assholes in the ground but here's what I'm thinking now, if you're still alive now, then I was wrong and you were right and you're going to make it all the way back to the Alpha quadrant and I should have just kept my mouth shut and kept with the program, so I'm sorry I was such a bitch trying to kill you all the times I tried to kill you, but since I'm dead and you probably did it, and like I said if I try to kill you again you're just going to weasel out of my devious trap, I say fuck it, it's time for a parade, I'm a loser, I should just give up, is spite all I have got going for at this point years after my bones have been... I don't want to even think about Kazon Burial practices, unless you left me behind in the boondocks with those thug savages, but here's my revenge, I'm Cardassian without revenge I might as well be a dead woman, well I am a dead woman but here's my revenge, you Mr Tuvok are going to spend the next two hundred years lusting about the memories of tonight were I took you to the unforetold heights of ecstasy and... You're going to fall in love me Tuvok and it's going to kill you because what i have between my legs and how it's going to grip your lovegun and pull the trigger is going to have so much recoil you'll be flinching for the next 3 months, and frankly right now, in the state you are in, bloodfever crazy fluffed up by the kiddy porn elf you're just going to have sex through my clothes because no force in the universe is going to stop you from treating me like an extremely fertile woman tonight."

But then he kills her which flips the telepathic switch and Tuvok is normal again.


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