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SalvorHardin April 15 2013 02:17 PM

Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
This one played right before Quinto, Pine and Saldana came out to present.



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Robert D. Robot April 15 2013 02:44 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
I do wonder how (or if) the Enterprise is going to survive the damage & dive toward Earth at the beginning of this sequence, but the editing here for this spectacular clip is creative & deceptive. The nacelles and pylons on the ship shown crashing into the water are apart from each other far too far to be the Enterprise. IMHO.

Admiral Buzzkill April 15 2013 02:46 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
Well, yeah - there's a lot that goes on, on Enterprise, with attempts to right the ship. This clip cuts from a moment when Enterprise is falling into the upper atmosphere to a different moment when the other ship crashes.

Robert D. Robot April 15 2013 02:53 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
The Enterprise looks in pretty bad shape, in any case. One of those still photos (#7) seems to show that there is a hole straight through the thicker central part of the primary hull(!)...

chardman April 15 2013 03:00 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
So, are we dealing with a situation where multiple ships plummet to Earth? Sounds a tad contrived for more than one vessel to experience such similar fates/near-fates in the same film. Is "April's Gun" a "Fall-Out-Of-Orbit-Beam" of some kind?

Perhaps the reason the "stance" of the nacelles is wider than what we're used to seeing on Enterprise, is that the support struts are simply "sagging" after the secondary hull smashes into Alcatraz?

Admiral Buzzkill April 15 2013 03:05 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
No. There's an orbital fight between the ships.

chardman April 15 2013 03:12 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
So, both are plummeting at the same time, having mortally damaged one another, and Enterprise is able to pull out of its dive, while the other isn't so lucky?

I can deal with that. (Though I was kinda hoping for that "Fall-Out-Of-Orbit-Beam". Or better still, a "Fall-Out-Of-Orbit-Torpedo", thus explaining this...)

Rhaven April 15 2013 03:28 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
Okay, two ships. That makes sense then. The loser does the dive into buildings and the sea.

Jackson_Roykirk April 15 2013 03:31 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
Quote:

chardman wrote: (Post 7946938)
So, both are plummeting at the same time, having mortally damaged one another, and Enterprise is able to pull out of its dive, while the other isn't so lucky?

I can deal with that....

I suppose it could also be from two very separate scenes. One scene wit the Enterprise in a space battle while in orbit around a planet, and another separate scene with some other ship plummeting to Earth.

Gojira April 15 2013 04:01 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
In this video I could really tell the second ship was smaller.

SalvorHardin April 15 2013 04:17 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
A bit better quality


The Keeper April 15 2013 04:27 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
Something still doesn't add up. How can the ship which is skidding saucer down along the bay also be the same one which clips the building tops?

Seems to me that ship, as it approaches the shore would dig it's leading saucer edge into the shore line and flip over on its back. Its forward momentum could then cause the mass to continue rolling along at ground level plowing into buildings in its path and we see that at T: 12/13. (The view from the park)

Then in the very next scene, T: 13/14 the hugh saucer clips the building tops. A clear enough view of that saucer leading edge is given to see it could not be the same saucer which just smacked Alcatraz, planed across the bay then rolled on shore in a jumbled heap.

I do not believe they are the same ship. The hugh saucer ship is either our heroes Enterprise or a different ship than the two we see falling out of orbit. Perhaps Scott was was unable to prevent her decent but was able to keep her from nosediving. Pretty heroic compared the other ships fate.

Franklin April 15 2013 04:36 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
In the first still of the Enteprise in the OP, the dish is inoperative (gold). We've also seen other stills of a heavily damaged Enterpise with a non-working dish that is very damaged (a piece is missing).

The ship that crashes into Alcatraz has a working (blue) dish that looks to be undamaged (fully round -- a large chunk of the Enterprise's was missing).

Keeper makes a good point. It's hard to believe that ship wouldn't go cartwheeling when its saucer hit the water at the angle it did. The only thing I can think of is the distance from Alcatraz to SF is not very far, and it hit land before it had a chance to cartwheel (because for a split second, it does look like it could flip over).

Admiral Buzzkill April 15 2013 04:37 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
Khannison spends most of the movie hurling one ship after another from orbit at Starfleet Command - but like a poor marksman, he keeps missing the target!

yenny April 15 2013 04:37 PM

Re: Starship crash sequence from the MTV Awards
 
Quote:

The Keeper wrote: (Post 7947193)
Something still doesn't add up. How can the ship which is skidding saucer down along the bay also be the same one which clips the building tops?

Seems to me that ship, as it approaches the shore would dig it's leading saucer edge into the shore line and flip over on its back. Its forward momentum could then cause the mass to continue rolling along at ground level plowing into buildings in its path and we see that at T: 12/13. (The view from the park)

Then in the very next scene, T: 13/14 the hugh saucer clips the building tops. A clear enough view of that saucer leading edge is given to see it could not be the same saucer which just smacked Alcatraz, planed across the bay then rolled on shore in a jumbled heap.

I do not believe they are the same ship. The hugh saucer ship is either our heroes Enterprise or a different ship than the two we see falling out of orbit. Perhaps Scott was was unable to prevent her decent but was able to keep her from nosediving. Pretty heroic compared the other ships fate.

The only way for the ship do the way you said it should do. Is it to come down in more of a steep angle, like 90 degree.


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