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Godless Raven April 11 2013 11:48 AM

Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
In Insurrection, Picard decides to side with the Baku violating orders from his Admiral as well as a part of the Federation Council (section 31 might've been involved also). Picard's decision prevented the Federation from accessing the planet, preventing them from developing various medical breakthroughs.

Did he make the right decision?

MacLeod April 11 2013 01:09 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
Yes, the Ba'ku settled on the planet before the Federation was founded. The Prime Directive forbids them from interferring in pre-warp planets or planets that don't want anything to do with the Federation. It initally seemed as if the Ba'ku were pre-warp and when it was discovered that they where warp capable nobody asked them would you mind moving so we can use the wonders of this planet to benefit hundreds of billions. Instead they tried to engage in forced re-location by deception.

BillJ April 11 2013 01:49 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
Yes, no and maybe.

That's all I'm willing to say in any thread regarding the move. :lol:

Robert Maxwell April 11 2013 04:03 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
Maybe you should go read one of the many threads that already discuss this question.

Next.

R. Star April 11 2013 04:04 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
The Baku were not a sympathetic species at all. Their level of self-entitlement is just staggering. They all but declare their immortality is more important than anyone else, including the Son'a. Exiling them is the equivalent of a capital sentence, and well the ones that were too far gone? Too bad. They just die. End of the movie. But Picard got laid, so who cares if the Federation drove the Son'a into the Dominion alliance, and if they didn't get new medical advances that surely would've helped in the war.

sonak April 11 2013 04:49 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
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R. Star wrote: (Post 7929775)
The Baku were not a sympathetic species at all. Their level of self-entitlement is just staggering. They all but declare their immortality is more important than anyone else, including the Son'a. Exiling them is the equivalent of a capital sentence, and well the ones that were too far gone? Too bad. They just die. End of the movie. But Picard got laid, so who cares if the Federation drove the Son'a into the Dominion alliance, and if they didn't get new medical advances that surely would've helped in the war.



:techman: this


Also, this is probably one of THE most discussed topics on this board.

BillJ April 11 2013 05:04 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
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sonak wrote: (Post 7929958)


Also, this is probably one of THE most discussed topics on this board.

With the same folks (myself included) making the same points over and over and over again. It invariably devolves into a pissing match, which is what I think the original poster is hoping happens here. :lol:

R. Star April 11 2013 05:55 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
Yeah, maybe I should just save my answers to posts like this and copy and paste at need. :p

Of course by the logic Maxwell put out there we should shut down all the forums save NuTrek since it's all been discussed before. ;)

Hartzilla2007 April 11 2013 06:58 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
I vote yes by virtue of Picard had this guy working for him



And remember Picard is the only one he has ever respected enough not to do something like that if he ever pissed him off enough.

-Brett- April 11 2013 07:21 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
Yes, Picard made the right choice. Just because someone's an ass doesn't give you the right to bulldoze his house and kick him out on the street. Unsympathetic as the Ba'ku were, they had the right to not have their property stolen and destroyed.

OneBuckFilms April 11 2013 08:42 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
I don't think the Baku are asses at all. That planet is their home, and has been for a long time. They have as much right to live in their home as you do yours.

I'm sure they would be amenable to the rings being studied, and might be willing to provide insights into it, were it not for the Sona.

If I were being kicked out of my home of hundreds of years, I'd be "an ass" too.

DonIago April 11 2013 09:05 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
I live in a two-bedroom apartment that's not exactly massive. If someone wants to give me tons of money to find a new place to live, or can recreate my apartment in approximately 10 seconds (replicators), then, everything else being equal, I'd be happy to move.

If they tell me my move will essentially unleash the cure for cancer? Even better.

Hartzilla2007 April 11 2013 09:15 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
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DonIago wrote: (Post 7931191)
I live in a two-bedroom apartment that's not exactly massive. If someone wants to give me tons of money to find a new place to live,

Which the Ba'ku weren't getting

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or can recreate my apartment in approximately 10 seconds (replicators), then, everything else being equal, I'd be happy to move.
So you would be okay with them kidnapping you?

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If they tell me my move will essentially unleash the cure for cancer? Even better.
Except if everything had gone according to plan the Ba'ku were going to be told anything.

DonIago April 11 2013 11:06 PM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
The Baku were made aware of what was going on during the developments in the film. I didn't see any of them saying, "Oh...well, if it will help millions of people, sure I'll move."

R. Star April 12 2013 12:35 AM

Re: Did Picard make the right decision with the Son'a/Baku
 
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DonIago wrote: (Post 7931662)
The Baku were made aware of what was going on during the developments in the film. I didn't see any of them saying, "Oh...well, if it will help millions of people, sure I'll move."

This. And before the film even started the exiled the Son'a to basic death sentences simply because they chose a different way of life. The Son'a were no bargain either don't get me wrong there, but the two were definitely cut from the same cloth.


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